Sega or Nintendo?

[Jrecee]

Sonic, Vectorman, Shinobi, Ristar, Nights, Alex Kidd.

Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Starfox, Kirby, Donkey Kong.

And yet the Sonic series has gone to crap along with Nights, and all those others have disappeared completely. Not that they wouldn't turn to crap if modern sega touched them anyway.

[Gamerforlife]

the Wii is a step backwards.

More like a step forwards. In the wrong direction.

LOL, well said. I'm a Sega guy. They have always been more edgy, experimental, creative, hardcore, modern and just plain cooler than Nintendo. At least, back in Sega's prime anyway. Not quite so much now and days.

I respect Nintendo, but they've always been too stubborn, too family friendly and too reliant on their age old first party properties. I can't believe they still make games about Mario. He's so eighties and outdated to me. Also, while people always talk about the awesomeness of Nintendo first party titles, I have always been more impressed by Sony's first party efforts(Ico comes to mind), but Sony has no place in this discussion

[ZeroAX]

A lot of people attack modern sega, just for their mishandling of 1 franchise, sonic, when they are a superb 3rd party publisher (conduit, total war, football manager, madworld) and a really good software power house, even to this day (look at Valkyria Chronicles, Virtua Fighter 5). But their most known franchise gives them a bad rep. it's time to take sonic behind the shed and shoot him

[the King]

the Wii is a step backwards.

More like a step forwards. In the wrong direction.

LOL, well said. I'm a Sega guy. They have always been more edgy, experimental, creative, hardcore, modern and just plain cooler than Nintendo. At least, back in Sega's prime anyway. Not quite so much now and days.

So, you mean during the Genesis years? Seriously, besides the Genesis, what has Sega really done?

I'm a fan of both, probably more so Nintendo, but I really don't get this whole love affair with Sega. I'm a huge Genesis fan, but everything after was a failure, whereas Nintendo hasn't gone anywhere and is currently winning the current console war.

[Dylan]

A lot of people attack modern sega, just for their mishandling of 1 franchise, sonic, when they are a superb 3rd party publisher (conduit, total war, football manager, madworld) and a really good software power house, even to this day (look at Valkyria Chronicles, Virtua Fighter 5). But their most known franchise gives them a bad rep. it's time to take sonic behind the shed and shoot him

Yeah, Sega is definitely a different company now. They need to distance themselves from what's not working anymore. While I absolutely agree that there were a lot of franchises I hated to see die with the system, there's simply no place for them anymore. Not in the hands of modern Sega, anyway. They need to make their strengths more apparent to the public than their weaknesses.

[RyaNtheSlayA]

So, you mean during the Genesis years? Seriously, besides the Genesis, what has Sega really done?

I'm a fan of both, probably more so Nintendo, but I really don't get this whole love affair with Sega. I'm a huge Genesis fan, but everything after was a failure, whereas Nintendo hasn't gone anywhere and is currently winning the current console war.

Failure how? Sure in sales numbers. But in inovation and a good time overall. Sega has done wonders on all their consoles. Taking risks and innovating was what made them special. Even the Master System was the console of choice in the PAL regions and each of their consoles have been popular at least in one region. Each of their systems has had moderate sales sucess at least (minus the add-ons, but even then they had acceptable sales).

I mean, the SMS would probably be the only failure inovation wise. It still had its ups though, like Alex Kid

Then the Genesis had games like Sonic, The Ooze, Comix Zone etc.

Saturn had NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon series, Guardian Heroes, Virtua Fighter


Dreamcast had REZ, Jet Grind Radio, Skies of Arcadia, Space Channel 5, Toy Commander

I guess I'm just curious what you mean by failure. Sure they didn't have great sales, but if you take that as a measure of sucess then you are probably a blind fanboy.

I can't deny the impact Nintendo had especially in the 80's but Sega was the ultimate gaming company in my opinion. Just ruined by some poor management choices is all.

[Dylan]

So, you mean during the Genesis years? Seriously, besides the Genesis, what has Sega really done?

I'm a fan of both, probably more so Nintendo, but I really don't get this whole love affair with Sega. I'm a huge Genesis fan, but everything after was a failure, whereas Nintendo hasn't gone anywhere and is currently winning the current console war.

Some people would argue that the Saturn and Dreamcast have their place in history, and they do. Just not on a very big scale. The Genesis is what worked for Sega, they released it ahead of the curb, and at just the right time. Unfortunately, this experience is what Sega based its decisions on every single time afterwards. The Sega CD wasn't bad, it was just marketed terribly (FMV games). The 32X on the other hand just pissed off fans and made Sega look like it was losing its edge. Turns out that Sega's ultimate downfall was entirely in their bad marketing halfway through the Genesis' life.

[Dylan]

I guess I'm just curious what you mean by failure. Sure they didn't have great sales, but if you take that as a measure of sucess then you are probably a blind fanboy.

He's just taking a more big picture view. Sales determine whether a console fails or not. You're looking at it from a more specific perspective, I'll bet you can name dozens of great games on these consoles. It's not a failure in quality, they just ultimately lost the contest.

[xxstatic]

If I had to choose 1 retro system I could take on an island for the rest of my life it would have the name Sega on it.

[the King]

So, you mean during the Genesis years? Seriously, besides the Genesis, what has Sega really done?

I'm a fan of both, probably more so Nintendo, but I really don't get this whole love affair with Sega. I'm a huge Genesis fan, but everything after was a failure, whereas Nintendo hasn't gone anywhere and is currently winning the current console war.

Some people would argue that the Saturn and Dreamcast have their place in history, and they do. Just not on a very big scale. The Genesis is what worked for Sega, they released it ahead of the curb, and at just the right time. Unfortunately, this experience is what Sega based its decisions on every single time afterwards. The Sega CD wasn't bad, it was just marketed terribly (FMV games). The 32X on the other hand just pissed off fans and made Sega look like it was losing its edge. Turns out that Sega's ultimate downfall was entirely in their bad marketing halfway through the Genesis' life.

I agree and I own both a Saturn and a Dreamcast, along with a Master System as well as my Genesis. I really enjoy my Dreamcast, but by the time it came out Sega wasn't relevant as far as consoles due to all their goofy add ons for the Genesis and the complete failure that the Saturn was. We all know the back story here, so I really don't think I need to go into it anymore.