Why do non-americans assume all americans are idiots?

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synapse wrote:I was asked (by a private school 14-year-old) if I had ever seen a coffee machine (true story).


Sorry to say, this made me laugh hysterically. Of all the things he could have asked you, he asks about coffee machines! There's just something sickeningly funny about that. I assume Spain does have coffee machines, though I'll profess my ignorance as to what brands you have in España. While the question about Spain being in Mexico is pretty bad, an Asian American friend of Chinese descent once told me a story about his older brother being asked where he was from, and on his response of "Wisconsin," he was asked "Where in China is Wisconsin?"

I will say that Spain does suffer from one key issue in dealing with the United States: Our closest relation and understanding of a Spanish-speaking nation comes from Mexico, and then the rest of Central and South America. In many cases all Spanish speaking peoples are sometimes labeled Mexican by ignorant individuals here. It's a poor excuse and for them I apologize, but when we think "Spanish," "Mexico" is generally the first thing to pop into our heads.

And the racial stereotyping of our film and television industries doesn't only annoy you. I know quite a few Americans that genuinely despise it, as well as the way Hollywood has stereotyped all American corporations as ultimately domineering, greedy, soulless, and evil. I suppose I should apologize as to my own ignorance to Spanish art and film as well. Since several of his films were set in Spain, circa the early 1940s, I thought Guillermo del Toro was a Spaniard for a very long time. I really love film, and I tend to start with nations film history by looking up their horror and science fiction movies(yeah, cheap genre stuff tends to pique my interests). Are there any you would recommend in Spain? Is Accion Mutante any good? What about PROXIMA?
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fox099 wrote:I do not know where alot of this notion comes from, but my experience in dealing with foreigners is the exact opposite. As an engineer, foreign engineers flock to this nation because we have the best and the brightest.


Nope. Engineers go to the US because of job opportunities not because the US has the best minds.

I feel that alot of this stems from our own fellow Americans. My girlfriend, who is extremely liberal, says the rest of the world does everything better. She claims the French have better healthcare, the English better schools, the Dutch better political policies, but she sees only one thing at a time.


Good thought as you would not want to sacrifice healthcare for a better education, you want both.

We Americans really do have the best of everything. We can keep 300 million people health versus Frances 50 million


This is not a reasonable argument. First of all the size of the population doesn't matter since you recollect more taxes. In fact given the economies of scale the US should have even better healthcare than France. However the life expectancy in France is way higher than in the US and it covers far more medical expenses than the US' healthcare system. The same applies to your following points too:

We provide education for 100 million young people versus Englands 20 million.

We watch over 100x more space and keep it all in check to Hollands.


I am amused when the French say they should be the model of the world when their own people are rioting, when they do not provide equal civil liberties for their citizens, when every week I read the number of cars burned in Paris in protest.


First of all you are late and misinformed. The Paris riots were four years ago so I doubt that you read about it every week. Secondly, they provide equal civil liberties for their citizens, better check their law because you are wrong. France is a democractic country and, as the rest of all the European Union, assures the equality of all citizens.

You can check the causes of the riots here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Riots#Triggering_event

America, we are the envy of the world, the only major power to have our infrastructure undamaged from the ravages of the second world war, and we are the leaders of the world. The weak will attempt to drag you to their level but we must help them come to ours.


Lol, God bless America. This way of speaking is not exactly friendly and is a pure stereotipe in itself, the stereotipe the rest of the world has of Americans. First of all the "weak" you speak about are not weak at all and, most importantly, are US' allies , second the WWII was 60 years ago, by the same reasoning Spain used to rule all the world.

And more importantly, what do you want to prove with this? This is not an argument as far as I can see. It's a statement of dubius truth.

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Spanish films sucks. The reason is that they make movies as fast as posible without any regard of quality because the goverment covers all the expenses via subsidies. Never wondered why Uwe Boll keeps making movies when they don't sell? It's the same thing. Nobody watches them around here and the only reason they get "good" reviews is because the filmakers are the same people who review the films and because the TV channels are forced to waste their money in Spanish Cinema so they try to at least recover a bit of it.

It's not that I don't like the films. They are poorly made. Bad camera angles, crappy effects, fart-based humor, horrid actors, plots based in "controversial issues" that are no controversial at all or the civil war. I could go on for hours. This is not to say there are no good spanish movies but all directors have moved to the crappy film craze so you will not hear about them in a long time.

Literature is good on the other hand so I recommend it.

And about Spaniards as Mexicans I can assure you we laughed our ass of with RE4. That was funny if a bit bizarre. For me as long as Spain isn't depicted as a mud-filled hole it's fine, just misinformed.
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General_Norris wrote:Spanish films sucks. The reason is that they make movies as fast as posible without any regard of quality because the goverment covers all the expenses via subsidies. Never wondered why Uwe Boll keeps making movies when they don't sell? It's the same thing. Nobody watches them around here and the only reason they get "good" reviews is because the filmakers are the same people who review the films and because the TV channels are forced to waste their money in Spanish Cinema so they try to at least recover a bit of it.

It's not that I don't like the films. They are poorly made. Bad camera angles, crappy effects, fart-based humor, horrid actors, plots based in "controversial issues" that are no controversial at all or the civil war. I could go on for hours. This is not to say there are no good spanish movies but all directors have moved to the crappy film craze so you will not hear about them in a long time.

Literature is good on the other hand so I recommend it.


That's a real shame. Thankfully Uwe Boll's loophole has apparently closed, last time I heard anything about Germany's film and legal scene. Well then, what good books would you recommend?
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^Well that really depends of your taste and what genres you like. PM me if you want some pointers.
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synapse wrote:The Apprentice : Why do non-americans assume all americans are idiots?


Hey, welcome to the forums! I know movies poke fun at non-americans pretty hard, but believe me, educated Americans (including most of the ones on this site) recognise that the people in the movies are exaggerations. We also make fun of ourselves in the same mannor, just watch Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. Only the dumb Americans think all that stuff is real about Europeans.
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While I do not care for the topic, it is very ignorant and idiotic for people in the US to label their country as "America", while being only a part of a whole continent and not the only "americans". The sad thing is that the rest of the world has grown fine with that.
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We stole the name America for use in the name of our national political entity. I don't know that any other countries in the Americas use America specifically in their country name. Otherwise it's merely a geographic term. And to confuse things further, I wouldn't have any problems with anyone in the Americas using American to describe themselves.

The problem I'm left with is what would the people of the USA call themselves if not Americans? Would be be the United Statesans? Statesites? Unitans? Unitiards? USans? USAnians?

You can't blame us for wanting to be Americans. The alternatives are truly atrocious.
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marurun wrote:We stole the name America for use in the name of our national political entity. I don't know that any other countries in the Americas use America specifically in their country name. Otherwise it's merely a geographic term. And to confuse things further, I wouldn't have any problems with anyone in the Americas using American to describe themselves.

The problem I'm left with is what would the people of the USA call themselves if not Americans? Would be be the United Statesans? Statesites? Unitans? Unitiards? USans? USAnians?

You can't blame us for wanting to be Americans. The alternatives are truly atrocious.


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marurun wrote:The problem I'm left with is what would the people of the USA call themselves if not Americans? Would be be the United Statesans? Statesites? Unitans? Unitiards? USans? USAnians?

You can't blame us for wanting to be Americans. The alternatives are truly atrocious.


Exactly. I once checked "On the road" in a local library and the translator said that she changed the "imperialist America" for "Estadounidense" because there's a spanish word for "people who live in the US". And it shocked me to no end because if you are a translator you must be really stupid not to know that there are no "Estadounidense" in English. But no, she thought it was "imperialist" even if the word has been in use since the British build their colonies. Guess who is the "unitard" here :lol:
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There are dumb people everywhere.

But the dummies in the states are louder and prouder, not to mention completely unrepentant.
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