Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

[BogusMeatFactory]

When it comes to the Elder Scrolls, I am not sure if it's more popular to hate the new games because they "aren't as deep, man" as the older games OR to hate on the old games for how clunky non-user friendly they were...

I agree with both to some extent, am I the ultimate hipster?

The moment I get access to a computer to post, the world may be subjected to a very long, in depth reason as to why skyrim is the worst elder scrolls game, but is not necessarily a bad game. There are tons of reasons and is something I have been stewing over for a very long time.

[Erik_Twice]

The moment I get access to a computer to post, the world may be subjected to a very long, in depth reason as to why skyrim is the worst elder scrolls game, but is not necessarily a bad game. There are tons of reasons and is something I have been stewing over for a very long time.

I would leave to read that Bogus

[BogusMeatFactory]

The moment I get access to a computer to post, the world may be subjected to a very long, in depth reason as to why skyrim is the worst elder scrolls game, but is not necessarily a bad game. There are tons of reasons and is something I have been stewing over for a very long time.

I would leave to read that Bogus

I will definitely work on it! I have something see I need to write up first and I am sadly currently tied to my phone for most posts because. Baby and trust me, if you see the conversations I have with Cronozilla online with my phone, you would think I am having a brain. Aneurysm

[marurun]

I am inclined to agree. It's actually a pretty good fantasy game, but it's a pretty poor Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is probably the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls-ness, but boy does the combat need an overhaul.

[Xeogred]

I am inclined to agree. It's actually a pretty good fantasy game, but it's a pretty poor Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is probably the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls-ness, but boy does the combat need an overhaul.

Which is kind of a dramatically huge issue if you ask me. I can't get into Morrowind because the combat is that boring.

I'd like to see Bogus' breakdown on Skyrim. I'm replaying it again and enjoying myself, but I can easily nitpick a lot about it as well. Namely the writing and dialogue is just utterly average, so I find myself skipping most of it after awhile. I put in about 120 hours on the 360 version (not much compared to others from what I hear) and have about 30 right now on PC. Basically just filler material until Fallout 4 gets here. I hope the writing is good, basically my one concern. I'm a much bigger sci-fi / Fallout fan though so I know I'll like it more.

But yeah I like New Vegas more than all the Bethesda stuff. People can say what they want on Obsidian, but they have some of the best writers ever.

[marurun]

I am inclined to agree. It's actually a pretty good fantasy game, but it's a pretty poor Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is probably the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls-ness, but boy does the combat need an overhaul.

Which is kind of a dramatically huge issue if you ask me. I can't get into Morrowind because the combat is that boring.

I'd like to see Bogus' breakdown on Skyrim. I'm replaying it again and enjoying myself, but I can easily nitpick a lot about it as well. Namely the writing and dialogue is just utterly average, so I find myself skipping most of it after awhile.

I guess it's about what kind of game you want. The Elder Scrolls games were all about horrible combat with action controls but dice-roll hit mechanics up until Oblivion. At that point it went from being an RPG with action tropes to an action game with RPG tropes. Oblivion was that transition point.

Early Elder Scrolls games were packed with content, but didn't always have good content. Morrowind was the turning point on that. The missions, the dialogue options, the core plot... Morrowind was a masterpiece from that perspective. But it was also built on what feels a lot like an early MMO engine (and it kind of was). Nobody I know played Morrowind because combat was satisfying (until you'd over-powered yourself). People played because the environments and details were so otherwise satisfying.

Oblivion and Skyrim, however, changed that. Much more generic fantasy trappings (well, compared to Morrowind, anyway), weakening of magic (and narrowing of spell abilities), increased focus on action gameplay, tightening of leveled content to prevent players from getting too powerful. Fully voiced content, but much less content as a result. Fewer dialogue and alternative missions resolution options. More invincible characters (Morrowind would let you destroy the main quest line, though it would tell you you'd done it). All good mainstream decisions, but many tough pills for folks who really fell in love with Morrowind. That's why there are projects to essentially port Morrowind to the Oblivion and Skyrim game engines. To try and get some of what they miss back without sacrificing the combat advances.

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One thing that really bugs me about Oblivion and Skyrim are the walled towns. Morrowind felt much more open in that way. And fast travel kind of killed any notion of having to plan out routes to and from dungeons as well. You can get some really good loot very early in Morrowind if you're canny with your Mark/Recall spells or Divine Intervention.

I love Skyrim but every dungeon is basically a linear path to an quest item/piece of loot, then you find a handy hidden door that takes you back to the beginning where go back outside, open up the map and fast travel back to the town the questgiver lives in. I mean, Morrowind didn't have quest markers either so you actually had to follow the instructions the game gave you. I can't be the only one who spent an hour or so looking for the Teeth of the Wind and the Shrine of the Incarnate for that bloody quest but it was so much more satisfying than following an arrow directly there.

[Ack]

I can't be the only one who spent an hour or so looking for the Teeth of the Wind and the Shrine of the Incarnate for that bloody quest but it was so much more satisfying than following an arrow directly there.

No, you're most definitely not. I'm a veteran of getting lost on that quest too.

Also Levitate. If there is only one reason why I consider Morrowind superior, it is for Levitate. That was, in my opinion, the greatest spell in the game.

[marurun]

I can't be the only one who spent an hour or so looking for the Teeth of the Wind and the Shrine of the Incarnate for that bloody quest but it was so much more satisfying than following an arrow directly there.

No, you're most definitely not. I'm a veteran of getting lost on that quest too.

Also Levitate. If there is only one reason why I consider Morrowind superior, it is for Levitate. That was, in my opinion, the greatest spell in the game.

It was one of the most useful, but I think the greatest spell was Jump (Fortify Acrobatics a metric crap-ton so you can die on the way back down).

Levitate was hard to use, though. I found it very wonky. Also, Morrowind had the most annoying enemy of any TES game: cliff racers.

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Yes, jump is a great skill when you have the rights attributes to back it up (as Marurun says, otherwise your legs go through your torso when you land). It's broken as shit but it's fun and crucially, I had to figure it out for myself through experimenting with the toolset. Sometimes you strike gold like the superjump, sometimes you make a spell that is only useful if you want to instantly crash your game. In fact the only time I remember being let down by Morrowind's spellcrafting/enchanting was when I tried to make throwing stars with the Open door spell on them. Didn't work. Just hit the door and bounced off.