World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Pulsar_t]

http://traffic.libsyn.com/dancarlin/cswdcc70.mp3

Dan Carlin talks about the recent events in Ukraine. Some interesting points are raised.

[Sload Soap]

I don't want to be separated from my wife - that's the point. It could take years before I can earn £18,600 (£22,400 if there's a child involved) per annum. The other alternative is having £62,500 in my bank account that cannot be touched for a minimum of 5 years. Then there's the risk of redundancies and even illness.

Bear in mind that I am Scottish and our salaries are much lower than southern England. Although the price of living is lower. The Government didn't even consider that before illegally passing a law without debating it in parliament. Thanks Theresa May, you bitch.

How is this fair? It is a breach of my human rights and it is actually illegal in European law.

Here's a couple of articles that can explain more. Link 1. Link 2.

That is a despicable law and shows the boneheaded mentality of Tory voters towards immigration as well as the Home Office's appalling recent form of passing laws that harm this country's freedom.

Have the SNP pledged to repeal this law then? I can see your point of view clearer now.

[Pulsar_t]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-f ... reagan-do-

Mainstream media fails again at analysing the situation.

[Forlorn Drifter]

So the Ukraine issue is finally resolved? I heard the president gave in...

Well more like he gave up power. He got the hell out of there before they could put his head on a stick. The people have control back but its up to them to see that the new people they vote in don't make the same mistakes. So them protesting and fighting police is over, but the rebuilding of their country has just begun.

I'm interested to see where this will go, because some of the things suggest that a decent portion of people on the eastern side of Ukraine agreed with the president's views. I don't know if it would be enough for a similar leader to be voted in, but if that group is there it could be interesting to see where things go.

[jfrost]

I don't want to be separated from my wife - that's the point. It could take years before I can earn £18,600 (£22,400 if there's a child involved) per annum. The other alternative is having £62,500 in my bank account that cannot be touched for a minimum of 5 years. Then there's the risk of redundancies and even illness.

Bear in mind that I am Scottish and our salaries are much lower than southern England. Although the price of living is lower. The Government didn't even consider that before illegally passing a law without debating it in parliament. Thanks Theresa May, you bitch.

How is this fair? It is a breach of my human rights and it is actually illegal in European law.

Here's a couple of articles that can explain more. Link 1. Link 2.

Holy shit, this is fucking outrageous.

I really hate immigration laws in Europe and the United States. Even my country, Brazil, has a bunch of fucking bigots who want this hellhole closed off to Bolivians and Haitians. As if life wasn't too hard on them already.

Just open the gates already. Those lines on the map mean nothing.

[oxymoron]

I don't want to be separated from my wife - that's the point. It could take years before I can earn £18,600 (£22,400 if there's a child involved) per annum. The other alternative is having £62,500 in my bank account that cannot be touched for a minimum of 5 years. Then there's the risk of redundancies and even illness.

Bear in mind that I am Scottish and our salaries are much lower than southern England. Although the price of living is lower. The Government didn't even consider that before illegally passing a law without debating it in parliament. Thanks Theresa May, you bitch.

How is this fair? It is a breach of my human rights and it is actually illegal in European law.

Here's a couple of articles that can explain more. Link 1. Link 2.

Whats the point of this? Is it to reduce people on welfare?

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Whats the point of this? Is it to reduce people on welfare?

To stop them from even applying to begin with. It is a terrible and probably illegal law as Adam says. As it stands, Adam would have to move to a EU country like Ireland, wait until his wife is a naturalised Irish citizen and then move back to Scotland. Under EU law it is the right of any citizen to move freely between any other EU member state nation. Not even the Tories can alter that so to soften the impact on net immigration they brought in this law.

It is, as jfrost eloquently put it, fucking outrageous.

[RCBH928]

So, why do they get to choose the president then?

To be honest we don't actually choose the president, The electoral college does. When you have the time please watch these two videos which will explain how the electoral college works and why its outdated.

How the Electoral College Works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUS9mM8Xbbw

The Trouble with the Electoral College: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k

If you ask me, this system is made to give the ability politicians and rich people to do what they want, complicate the system so no one understands whats going on...

[Ack]

We can't really take advantage of the Ireland route because I am an Irish citizen (British/Irish dual national). I wouldn't be able to use my European rights there. Going elsewhere in Europe is basically out of the question, we just don't have the finances for that.

In response to this, I looked up the cost of living of major cities in Western Europe versus London(which is more expensive than Glasgow), and he's right, most of the closest nations are either around the same price or are more expensive. Bruges, Brussels, Paris, Amsterdam, Oslo, Copenhagen, Luxembourg City, Stockholm, and Reykjavik are all about the same as London or higher, meaning they're even worse when compared to Glasgow.

The best bet looked to be in places like Munich, Berlin, or Prague, which on average tended to be cheaper, but those are nowhere near Adam's home, so moving to those might be out(though immigrating to both would likely be considerably easier since Adam is a citizen of an EU nation. Germany would recognize his wife as a skilled worker, while Prague would consider her a family member of an EU citizen).

Looking at their immigration laws, because Adam is still a UK citizen, the Czech Republic would recognize his wife as a permanent resident after 2 years of continuous residence in the Czech Republic, and she could then apply for citizenship, making her an EU citizen and giving them the ability to move back to the UK. It's messy, time-consuming, and not the easiest route, but it's a route if Scotland doesn't obtain its independence or the SNP fails its goal of repealing the current immigration law.

[Ivo]

In response to this, I looked up the cost of living of major cities in Western Europe versus London(which is more expensive than Glasgow), and he's right, most of the closest nations are either around the same price or are more expensive (...)

The best bet looked to be in places like Munich, Berlin, or Prague, which on average tended to be cheaper, but those are nowhere near Adam's home, so moving to those might be out(though immigrating to both would likely be considerably easier since Adam is a citizen of an EU nation. Germany would recognize his wife as a skilled worker, while Prague would consider her a family member of an EU citizen).

Come on people. Portugal. It is even on the same time zone as the UK (which the other places are not). It is certainly cheap on average, possibly avoid Lisbon.
On the other hand, good luck finding jobs... Particularly if you don't speak the language (that goes for Czech Republic and Germany, although at least the job market should be a bit better as they haven't been as affected by the crisis)!

Adams, are you sure an EU citizen with a non-EU spouse can move into the UK? EU laws don't allow such differentiation as far as I know.
I mean, you are an EU citizen (and an UK one in addition) and you can not move in with your wife. Presumably someone from Portugal could move in with an EU wife (both non-UK citizens), but presumably not a non-EU wife of a Portuguese national. Otherwise I think the law would be fairly easy to challenge in the EU courts.

I think whatever the non-UK EU people getting in with non-EU spouses can do (e.g. spend a couple of months working in France according to one of the articles), Adams could also do in theory. He just doesn't have the finances to do it, apparently.
But if I am correct, the UK law is actually (at least superficially) in compliance with the EU law as it is not differentiating according to nationality, and therefore it wouldn't be so easy to challenge it.