World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Sarge]

I'm not going to get defensive about it, I'm simply going to ignore it. I don't think there is a meaningful conversation to have with that as a starting point.

[dsheinem]

I'm not going to get defensive about it, I'm simply going to ignore it. I don't think there is a meaningful conversation to have with that as a starting point.

And I think that ignoring hateful actions done in the name of someone you voted for is the same as condoning them.

[J T]

As I said on my Twitter on Wednesday morning, the DNC has no one to blame but themselves.

We have ourselves to blame, yes, but I wouldn't say all of the blame is on us. It's more complicated than that. The media gave Trump unlimited free publicity for being offensive. Hillary faced overwhelming double standards because she is a woman. The Bernie or Bust crew were so upset that they didn't get their way that they just gave up. And the spin, oh my god the spin. I feel like nobody can agree on what a single fact is anymore, let alone a best course of action.

[Exhuminator]

These people might hold degrees, but clearly must never have received any kind of meaningful education indoctrination.

FTFY

But please, do continue. You've made me feel like a terrible soulless bigot, and J T has me so fearful of the incoming civil war, that I just dug up my war crate from the back woods.

[J T]

But right now many of us on the left are too busy trying to literally talk friends down from ledges.

Me and most of my friends are psychologists who work in suicide prevention in one of the most liberal areas of the country. This is so true. For those of you in red states, you may not understand just how intensely painful this loss was for us.

[Sarge]

dsh, my issue is that from the tone and tenor of your statements, you have already come to a conclusion, and you are more than willing to paint all with a broad brush. I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from that.

I also don't appreciate the implication that I'm ignoring bad actors, or that I condone said actions.

That's the extent of how much I'm going to engage at this point.

[dsheinem]

These people might hold degrees, but clearly must never have received any kind of meaningful education indoctrination.

FTFY

But please, do continue. You've made me feel like a terrible soulless bigot, and J T has me so fearful of the incoming civil war, that I just dug up my war crate from the back woods.

The educated voter turnout for Trump should be the end to the argument that colleges "indoctrinate" their students to lean left. If anything, there's been far too much pandering to the right in higher education because of that narrative over the past 20 years or so, and it is time that people in my profession start calling out ignorance for what it is instead of trying to validate every little bigot's precious concern that they must be some oppressed member of a majority whenever they are told that their people have done a lot of bad shit over the course of history.

Trump and the RNC ran against science, against education, and against the values of coming together to learn about and respect one another's different cultural experiences. They did it while saying that colleges are a breeding ground for closed-mindedness. I fear, in fact, that they were right - but not at all in the way they meant.

[dsheinem]

dsh, my issue is that from the tone and tenor of your statements, you have already come to a conclusion, and you are more than willing to paint all with a broad brush. I don't think there is anything constructive that can come from that.

The only broad brush I have painted people who voted for Trump with is the brush of "voted for Trump". I don't care about the reasons why, as I know they vary. My post is about about what's happened since. It is an argument about what those people did, what they need to do now, and why.

I also don't appreciate the implication that I'm ignoring bad actors, or that I condone said actions.

That's the extent of how much I'm going to engage at this point.

I figured you probably would say something like this. Suspicions confirmed.

[Sarge]

What suspicions are those?

[prfsnl_gmr]

I'm not digging the position that you're taking here, DSH. I don't believe in collective responsibility for hateful actions, and I don't think that Trump supporters have any more obligation than any other Americans to condemn these actions.

I am having a hard time drawing a distinction between what you wrote and the frequent calls for Muslims to condemn terrorism or the "black community" to condemn crime (or for liberals like me to condemn vandalism at protests against Donald Trump's election). We are a nation of individuals, and while we each have an individual responsibility to condemn these action, none of us has a special responsibility.