World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[prfsnl_gmr]

Let me ask a hypothetical question: If she had won, everything would be totally fine?

Nope. I still wouldn't be happy. I would just be less unhappy.

[jp1]

Kids today are on a good path, they just need to learn that hashtags and memes won't incite any real change.

Very true.

Also true is the "social media bubble", the danger of living in a select hivemind of echo chamber tweets and continual reaffirmation. I was thinking this was going to be a problem for folks this election, and I believe it was. But don't take my word for it, there have been many recent articles about the effect. Here are a few:

http://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/the-180/segment/10754246

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/11/12940 ... can-people

There was a REALLY good one on NPR radio today, but I can't find the article online right now. I might be too tired to do a good job Googling at the moment.

That's one good thing about a thread like this, we're in a blender of alternate opinions here. Opinions that require thinking and constructive typing to express, rather than just a thumbs up or retweet.

No doubt there is some truth in this as well. I don't have the social media experience to really refute the claims, my daughter has some 6,000 "friends" however who are not selectively chosen because of shared beliefs. Her feed featured a little more diversity than depicted in the article. I can't speak about that being common or not with any confidence, so I won't.

I agree though, I don't sit around and discuss these issues on boards were I am likely to only hear what I want. There is no point in this. If you spend your time pouring over the same issues again and again on a format which you know will offer no opposition this is simply political masturbation. It fuels hardcore zealots to fire off insane accusations and conspiracy theories. Besides the monotony of it all, there is little point, and even less to be learned.

[Tanooki]

Let me ask a hypothetical question: If she had won, everything would be totally fine?

I'd be equally annoyed. I think they both sucked, but at least with Trump I don't see another 4-8 more years of the spiral Obama caused either. We were screwed in either direction socially at least, but economically I'm hoping his business sense fixes some of our job and growth problems Obama didn't give a shit about passing or personally signing off on some of the bills, executive decisions, and regulations he did as it went too far to just make a point.

[BogusMeatFactory]

Let me ask a hypothetical question: If she had won, everything would be totally fine?

I'd be equally annoyed. I think they both sucked, but at least with Trump I don't see another 4-8 more years of the spiral Obama caused either. We were screwed in either direction socially at least, but economically I'm hoping his business sense fixes some of our job and growth problems Obama didn't give a shit about passing or personally signing off on some of the bills, executive decisions, and regulations he did as it went too far to just make a point.

Well those are just your thoughts and therefor invalid.

[Ack]

Read this little article:



"Of Brigade's verified voters, 40 percent of registered Democrats pledged to vote for Trump."

When a chunk that large of the Democratic Brigade registrants choose the Republican candidate, despite his less than savory behavior, something is clearly amiss. There are many other articles releasing now with breakdowns that show the same thing; many Democrats voted for Trump. This leads me to believe that there's a significant portion of the Democratic party that is not highly vocal and has different values than the more exuberant fringe members of the party. What I'm saying is that there are Liberals enrolled as Democrats, and it's not helping anything. It certainly didn't help Mrs. Clinton when she had to try to appeal to both camps within her party, a losing proposition.

I believe if more younger voters truly understood what the Libertarian Party is, they would register and vote within that pillar of politics. And considering how Liberal today's youth is, the Libertarian Party would likely have a stronger base than it ever has before. Perhaps then, the Democratic vote could stand for its pure agenda again, and the Libertarian Party would be bolstered by its brave new world of voters. If that were the case, Gary Johnson may have actually had a chance this time. And today's very liberal, very socially minded youth, might actually see the kind of change they so desperately dream of.

I believe there was a CNN breakdown of the election that declared there were no more blue dog Democrats after this election. That certainly seems to be the case. But if they have all given up on the Democratic Party, it will be interesting to see how they help shape the future of the Republicans. What will happen as labor shifts? How will this affect the business wing of rich members in the GOP?

If ya'll have not noticed, I like to ask a lot of questions.

[foxhound1022]

Thanks to those who responded. I'm just curious of your opinions.

Also, if so many Dems were in support of Sanders, how did they come to the conclusion that she was a more viable candidate?

[BogusMeatFactory]

Thanks to those who responded. I'm just curious of your opinions.

Also, if so many Dems were in support of Sanders, how did they come to the conclusion that she was a more viable candidate?

Because only young people wanted sanders. Most democrats did not like his stances.

[MrPopo]

Thanks to those who responded. I'm just curious of your opinions.

Also, if so many Dems were in support of Sanders, how did they come to the conclusion that she was a more viable candidate?

Because only young people wanted sanders. Most democrats did not like his stances.

That said, the people who liked him had a massive hardon for him.

[PartridgeSenpai]

Thanks to those who responded. I'm just curious of your opinions.

Also, if so many Dems were in support of Sanders, how did they come to the conclusion that she was a more viable candidate?

Because only young people wanted sanders. Most democrats did not like his stances.

That said, the people who liked him had a massive hardon for him.

Being a younger forum member (almost 21!), I feel the need to comment about Bernie. I can't speak for my fellow young Democrats/Independents, but while I did like a lot of his ideas, I just didn't see the point in electing him president. Yes, he had "revolutionary" ideas, but he was totally alone in those ideas. Electing him would've been just as bad if not worse than Obama in '08, where the president was just bashing his head in on a congress that wasn't nearly as progressive as he was. He would've been just effectively a road-block. A very popular road-block. I felt he could do just as much if not more with his seniority in the Senate than in the White House.

I believe if more younger voters truly understood what the Libertarian Party is, they would register and vote within that pillar of politics. And considering how Liberal today's youth is, the Libertarian Party would likely have a stronger base than it ever has before. Perhaps then, the Democratic vote could stand for its pure agenda again, and the Libertarian Party would be bolstered by its brave new world of voters. If that were the case, Gary Johnson may have actually had a chance this time. And today's very liberal, very socially minded youth, might actually see the kind of change they so desperately dream of.

As someone who considers themselves a young Liberal, I am familiar with what the Libertarian Party is, and I don't like them. Yes social liberalism is all well and good, but I cannot support what they want to do with business de-regulation, especially in regards to the environment. I also don't care for their stance on education and social-welfare, as I don't think it's something the private sector can be trusted with. That's just my subjective viewpoint though.

Would they have more support if they had better funding? Probably. The same could be said for any party. Would they be killing it, and complete usurp the Democrats? I don't think that's possible, at least not in this system of government where most results are settled in a winner-take-all fashion. In a proportional representation-based government (like a Canada or Britain-style parliamentary system), however, I think they'd have a much better chance, probably taking a good portion of the socially liberal but economically conservative democrats as well as some of the more economically-focused conservatives.

Granted, now our government is solely run by climate-deniers (among several other fact-deniers), so that distinction doesn't matter much now, I suppose :/

[Tanooki]

For a collective of people coming out denouncing all the awful treatment of people by a fringe racist nutbag contingent of cowardly Trump supporters, why are we not seeing as much disgust and shaming of those who are protesting with non-peaceful means the last 2 nights? Trashed businesses, trashed structures, wrecked brand new and used privately owned cars and other property. It's not right. I get they're mad, but going out and rationalizing let's break some shit is not the answer. Maybe I'm forgetting but 8 years ago we didn't see a bunch of angry white people rushing into business districts and minority neighborhoods burning the place down. Fed up with the tactics both sides are exhibiting right now.