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Sarge wrote:I'm a fan of the electoral college, myself. It slightly tilts things back in favor of less populous states. If it weren't in place, politicians could completely ignore more rural states and just concentrate on the largest population centers. It's almost there as it is, since we've clustered a lot more than in the past, but it's still useful.
The Senate does the same thing. (If you think about it, the fact that Wyoming has as much representation in the Senate as California is pretty nuts.) In light of these two very effective checks on the power of more populous areas, I really do wish that the Senate would completely dispose of extra-constitutional, procedural requirements on the passage of legislation and the appointment of federal officials (such as the filibuster). IMO, these requirements were not contemplated by the founders, and they stifle the federal government to a point that I think even Thomas Jefferson would find objectionable. :lol:
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prfsnl_gmr wrote:The electoral college is a check on the power of vocal minorities, and it ensure somewhat proportional representation in a presidential election regardless of voter turnout. So, for example, if people in Texas were really sore about an issue and the voter turnout there was 100% while the voter turnout in the rest of the country was only 25%, the electoral college would prevent the group in Texas from having and outsized effect on the election.
I understand that, but that still doesn't ensure representation to all parts of the country.

The Trump campaign has resigned my new home state of Virginia entirely. By the way, Virginia swung red in 2004 and blue in 2008, so it has been a battleground state in the past. Democratic VP nominee Tim Kaine is the former Mayor of Richmond and the former Governor of Virginia. Hillary's selection of Kaine for VP was a shrewd move to lock in Virginia's thirteen electoral votes in her favor.

In 2000, my former home state of WV swung red for the first time in decades and the National Democratic party simply shrugged their shoulders. With most of the labor unions gone and a decreasing state population, who cares about WV's measly five electoral votes? The Democratic party hasn't even tried to win back West Virginia since 2000. Why should they bother? Their time and resources are better spent in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

Can you see my point that the electoral college has not ensured representation to all parts of the country?
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samsonlonghair wrote:Can you see my point that the electoral college has not ensured representation to all parts of the country?
I see your point, and I think the candidates' focus on a few key swing states is a side effect of the electoral college. (Voter apathy is another one.) The order in which the states conduct their primaries has a similar effect, however, it and explains why we have a disproportionate amount of legislation benefitting Iowa and New Hampshire.
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Xeogred wrote:the tension with Russia seems very severe. I've briefly heard that because we waste so much spending, their nuclear development has far surpassed ours by this point. Very frightening.
We've long since eclipsed the point of making Fallout look like an ecological paradise should The Button get pressed. It's not really something to worry about.
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At least they have to shoot for states, which can encapsulate at least somewhat diverse constituencies within them, as opposed to a popular vote-only system, which would ensure only major cities would be the target.

It's most assuredly a problem, of course, but if anything, you'd need to tilt it even more towards the rural areas to make up for the loss of voting power they've experienced as we become a more urban society.
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Xeogred wrote:I've really not touched this topic at all and don't know how much I'll dip in, but don't some of you guys think globalism is probably faulty and bad? That's been one of the most interesting topics as of late for me. I don't think Obama has been that great and it really does seem like Hillary will be more of the same, and the tension with Russia seems very severe. I've briefly heard that because we waste so much spending, their nuclear development has far surpassed ours by this point. Very frightening.
I have a few things to say about this:

First off about Russian nuclear development, the answer is "yes and no." Yes, they have a larger current strategic arsenal of around 1735 reported nuclear weapons deployed for use versus the US' 1481, though the breakdowns for how these would be delivered is unknown. It ranges from ICBMs at missile sites to nuclear submarine launches to dropped via bombers. As for the total stockpile of nuclear weapons, the US dominates with 4,571 reported nuclear warheads of varying condition versus Russia's slightly less 4,500. Russia has 2,800 nuclear weapons waiting to be dismantled while the US has 2,500. These stats are those put out August 2016 by the Arms Control Association. That said, the disparity in sizes doesn't much matter; this is more than enough to wipe out humanity if such an effect were desired.

Now as for current development, well...it's true, much of our nuclear arsenal is made up of dinosaurs compared to Russia. This is for a variety of reasons, including public protest and outcry, direction of defense spending and the high cost of development, likely a psychological block over victory in the Cold War against the Soviet Union, so on and so forth.

For our ICBMs, we only use the LGM-30G Minuteman III currently, with the most recent of these in use constructed in 1978. The Minuteman IIIs have been upgraded routinely however and should last us until 2030. Meanwhile discussion on development of our next ICBM is stalled over discussions of price. The US Air Force speculates development will cost $62.3 billion for development and mass production, which isn't as large as the $348 billion we'll spend on nuclear weapons in total by 2024, but is well over the $26 billion we'll spend on ICBMs in the next 8 years. We did develop and deploy the LGM118A Peacekeeper in the 1980s, and these were upgrades from the Minuteman IIIs, but for a variety of reasons all were pulled from service in 2005.

Russia, meanwhile, is expected to deploy a new model of nuclear ICBM by the end of this decade, designed specifically with the intention of penetrating missile-defense systems. They also use a variety of launchers for their systems, including mobile launchers. While the Minuteman III can carry up to three nuclear warheads(but mainly only carry one), the Russian R-36M2 Voevod(nicknamed, appropriately enough, 'Satan') can carry up to 10 and has been in service since 1988. The new RS-28 is now being tested and should replace the Satan in 2020. It can launch in under a minute from being given the order, maneuvers at over 7 kilometers a second, and can launch a nuclear warhead on a suborbital trajectory. Defending against such a monstrosity is incredibly difficult if not impossible and highly, highly expensive.

Russia's ICBM program is well-funded and constantly in research mode, with new weapon possibilities continuously being examined. However, while the United States lags in ICBMs, we're very well-versed in missile defense research and programs, which is why Russia has entered this continuous development cycle. They're working this hard to beat us, while we work to defend against them.

*Note, these stats on Russian ICBMs come from Leonid Nersisyan of the REGNUM news agency, which has been labeled a propaganda tool for the Russian government. REGNUM is based out of Moscow. Take them with a grain of salt.

It's also worth noting that we're not really sure anyone is insane enough to actually use any of these. Nuclear weapons as a deterrent are...interesting to say the least.
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Now the big question Ack...

WHY!? Depressing stuff really. Definitely appreciate the info though.
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Unless another nation can come up with a delivery system such that they can completely wipe out our retaliatory abilities before we're even aware we're being attacked then nuclear weapons are just a stick to wave around. And if another nation did develop such a system the first we'd find out about it is when the bombs started falling, at which point we're six kinds of fucked. So it's not really worth worrying about.
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Yeah...These days, you should be way more afraid of carnies than nuclear war.
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prfsnl_gmr wrote:Yeah...These days, you should be way more afraid of carnies than nuclear war.
Moreso clowns rearly. Should definitely be more afraid of clowns.
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