Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:36 pm
Now that I've finally caught up here, I do not see any reason why the thread had to be temporarily removed, unless certain posts have been deleted. Little confused.
Anyway, I take back nothing I said. I thought it was obvious that the typical situation I was describing was statutory rape, because I can't imagine how much clearer I could have described it. We absorb knowledge from our surroundings, and back in high school, I was surrounded by girls claiming the rape defense every time they messed up. Not often would they actually take it to court though. I think only one did. The stories were happening so often that it started to sound like nothing more than male bashing. It was statstically impossible that that many guys were rapists. I refused and still refuse to believe it, especially when none of these girls had any marks on them, and alcohol and party atmospheres were ALWAYS involved in the situations. Yes, it disgusts me how carefree women can wield the word "rape" with no fear of of a backfire. It's their own damn fault that the word has lost most of it's power.
I'm trying to keep this within the confines of Racket's "keep it clean" rule, but lets say I was a girl, and I was being raped. I wouldn't just lay there and take it. I'd fight, whether overpowered or not. Letting your attacker have his way, threats or no threats, makes no sense at all. If you were actually being raped, all bets would be off. You could only assume that you would be killed. You can't just let them win, can you? I firmly believe that if there's zero evidence that you were physically held against your will (marks on you), and zero evidence that you fought back (marks on your attacker, even fingernail scratches last days), then the case should be thrown out.
But still, Apprentice gave very little information about his friend who was supposedly raped. His story and emotions make him seem like an obvious high schooler with empathy issues. You meet all sorts of people you feel sorry for, and feel a need to give support to. Unfortunately, most of the time, emotional support is nothing more than currency with girls. It powers them, and they always want more. They will tell you anything to get it. I apologize to Apprentice if this girl actually was raped, and took it seriously, to court and all, but I change nothing I said. Given the information I saw, my opinion holds.
goaferboy brings up some valid and risky concepts, and I applaud that. Now I don't agree that kiddie porn on it's own is so harmless, unless it actually is some kind of casual family picture like he mentioned, such as a funny bathtime snapshot or something. Yes it's gross if someone is getting their jollies off of that, but in that case, it is true that no one was harmed. But it's still concerning.
Now if it's actually imagery of children who are clearly in some kind of distressing situation and forced to undress for the camera, someone is indeed being harmed. The simple action of sharing that file with more people online is actually adding to the problem, and in effect creating more interest and demand for the content, which can then create more victims. Maybe this is all personal theory, but it's bound to be true on some level. It's definitely not a good or safe action, that's for sure. It's pretty clear that people are arrested for possession of child porn simply as a precautionary measure for what they COULD go on to do, or perhaps have already done to a child. That goes without saying.
goaferboy and lordofduct go on to state that we as a people need to be educated about pedophiles and what really drives them, instead of just assuming it's some kind of black magic. This condition needs to stop being swept under the rug. I completely agree. That's kind of what we're doing here, and what I was originally talking about. You can be labeled for even wanting to understand the sickness.
I guess that's all I got for now.
Anyway, I take back nothing I said. I thought it was obvious that the typical situation I was describing was statutory rape, because I can't imagine how much clearer I could have described it. We absorb knowledge from our surroundings, and back in high school, I was surrounded by girls claiming the rape defense every time they messed up. Not often would they actually take it to court though. I think only one did. The stories were happening so often that it started to sound like nothing more than male bashing. It was statstically impossible that that many guys were rapists. I refused and still refuse to believe it, especially when none of these girls had any marks on them, and alcohol and party atmospheres were ALWAYS involved in the situations. Yes, it disgusts me how carefree women can wield the word "rape" with no fear of of a backfire. It's their own damn fault that the word has lost most of it's power.
I'm trying to keep this within the confines of Racket's "keep it clean" rule, but lets say I was a girl, and I was being raped. I wouldn't just lay there and take it. I'd fight, whether overpowered or not. Letting your attacker have his way, threats or no threats, makes no sense at all. If you were actually being raped, all bets would be off. You could only assume that you would be killed. You can't just let them win, can you? I firmly believe that if there's zero evidence that you were physically held against your will (marks on you), and zero evidence that you fought back (marks on your attacker, even fingernail scratches last days), then the case should be thrown out.
But still, Apprentice gave very little information about his friend who was supposedly raped. His story and emotions make him seem like an obvious high schooler with empathy issues. You meet all sorts of people you feel sorry for, and feel a need to give support to. Unfortunately, most of the time, emotional support is nothing more than currency with girls. It powers them, and they always want more. They will tell you anything to get it. I apologize to Apprentice if this girl actually was raped, and took it seriously, to court and all, but I change nothing I said. Given the information I saw, my opinion holds.
goaferboy brings up some valid and risky concepts, and I applaud that. Now I don't agree that kiddie porn on it's own is so harmless, unless it actually is some kind of casual family picture like he mentioned, such as a funny bathtime snapshot or something. Yes it's gross if someone is getting their jollies off of that, but in that case, it is true that no one was harmed. But it's still concerning.
Now if it's actually imagery of children who are clearly in some kind of distressing situation and forced to undress for the camera, someone is indeed being harmed. The simple action of sharing that file with more people online is actually adding to the problem, and in effect creating more interest and demand for the content, which can then create more victims. Maybe this is all personal theory, but it's bound to be true on some level. It's definitely not a good or safe action, that's for sure. It's pretty clear that people are arrested for possession of child porn simply as a precautionary measure for what they COULD go on to do, or perhaps have already done to a child. That goes without saying.
goaferboy and lordofduct go on to state that we as a people need to be educated about pedophiles and what really drives them, instead of just assuming it's some kind of black magic. This condition needs to stop being swept under the rug. I completely agree. That's kind of what we're doing here, and what I was originally talking about. You can be labeled for even wanting to understand the sickness.
I guess that's all I got for now.
