A nation of butthurts ~ Death Penalty for kiddie diddlers.

[Mozgus]

Now that I've finally caught up here, I do not see any reason why the thread had to be temporarily removed, unless certain posts have been deleted. Little confused.

Anyway, I take back nothing I said. I thought it was obvious that the typical situation I was describing was statutory rape, because I can't imagine how much clearer I could have described it. We absorb knowledge from our surroundings, and back in high school, I was surrounded by girls claiming the rape defense every time they messed up. Not often would they actually take it to court though. I think only one did. The stories were happening so often that it started to sound like nothing more than male bashing. It was statstically impossible that that many guys were rapists. I refused and still refuse to believe it, especially when none of these girls had any marks on them, and alcohol and party atmospheres were ALWAYS involved in the situations. Yes, it disgusts me how carefree women can wield the word "rape" with no fear of of a backfire. It's their own damn fault that the word has lost most of it's power.

I'm trying to keep this within the confines of Racket's "keep it clean" rule, but lets say I was a girl, and I was being raped. I wouldn't just lay there and take it. I'd fight, whether overpowered or not. Letting your attacker have his way, threats or no threats, makes no sense at all. If you were actually being raped, all bets would be off. You could only assume that you would be killed. You can't just let them win, can you? I firmly believe that if there's zero evidence that you were physically held against your will (marks on you), and zero evidence that you fought back (marks on your attacker, even fingernail scratches last days), then the case should be thrown out.

But still, Apprentice gave very little information about his friend who was supposedly raped. His story and emotions make him seem like an obvious high schooler with empathy issues. You meet all sorts of people you feel sorry for, and feel a need to give support to. Unfortunately, most of the time, emotional support is nothing more than currency with girls. It powers them, and they always want more. They will tell you anything to get it. I apologize to Apprentice if this girl actually was raped, and took it seriously, to court and all, but I change nothing I said. Given the information I saw, my opinion holds.

goaferboy brings up some valid and risky concepts, and I applaud that. Now I don't agree that kiddie porn on it's own is so harmless, unless it actually is some kind of casual family picture like he mentioned, such as a funny bathtime snapshot or something. Yes it's gross if someone is getting their jollies off of that, but in that case, it is true that no one was harmed. But it's still concerning.

Now if it's actually imagery of children who are clearly in some kind of distressing situation and forced to undress for the camera, someone is indeed being harmed. The simple action of sharing that file with more people online is actually adding to the problem, and in effect creating more interest and demand for the content, which can then create more victims. Maybe this is all personal theory, but it's bound to be true on some level. It's definitely not a good or safe action, that's for sure. It's pretty clear that people are arrested for possession of child porn simply as a precautionary measure for what they COULD go on to do, or perhaps have already done to a child. That goes without saying.

goaferboy and lordofduct go on to state that we as a people need to be educated about pedophiles and what really drives them, instead of just assuming it's some kind of black magic. This condition needs to stop being swept under the rug. I completely agree. That's kind of what we're doing here, and what I was originally talking about. You can be labeled for even wanting to understand the sickness.

I guess that's all I got for now.

[aaron]

i blame video games.

[Ack]

i blame video games.

That's it, game over, he wins.

[Haoie]

Well, I don't live in the US.

So I'll just add that the legal age of consent in NZ is 16.

Also we also have an unfortunately high instance of teen pregnancy.

I believe our laws are relatively similar to that of the UK, when it comes to sex crimes.

[RadarScope1]

The death penalty should not be applied to child rapists. Yes, it's an absolutely despicable crime, but putting the convicted to death could actually make these situations worse. How? Because if a rapist knows he could get put to death if caught, he will simply kill the child after the rape. No witnesses. Also, children and especially young children could be more inclined keep quiet about what's happening to them if they know that the perp could be put to death. Why? Because in most cases of child rape, the perp is a member of the family or a family friend. If the perp tells a 5-year-old that he'll be killed if word gets out, the little kid will keep his mouth shut. It doesn't make sense to us, but that's how a kid thinks.

I know this is the right decision because every time we've heard from the experts on this subject -- that's the people who work with abused kids day in and day out -- they say that applying the death penalty for these cases would make matters worse. When I want informed opinions I look to the people who are on the ground every day, and that's who I trust. Also we should never go with the "I hate what he did, he should be killed" line of reasoning. That's pure pathos, not law.

And defending this position is NOT defending child rape. If that's true, then disagreeing with the war in Iraq means you hate the troops. And if you think like that, well, then you're wholly ignorant of the principles this country was founded on.



(I don't know about this statutory rape stuff... It was my understanding that this mostly applied to crimes involving very young kids. God help us if they put a 19-year-old to death for having consentual sex with a 16-year-old. That's some Iran shit ....)

[D.D.D.]

I wish I was Japanese and lived in Japan, only if life had a reset button!

After living in Japan for several years now, I really find that amusing~


And Moz, if you're for punishment of that magnitude, try the middle east. It's exactly how you say, from what I've heard.

Isn't Japan one of the largest hubs in the world for sexual slave traffic?

Oh no no no. They all enter their "contracts" willingly and there is no sex industry; it's a health/massage industry - they can't help if some employees do things they shouldn't. The sad thing is that, that practically is their official statement.

[Ack]

I laugh at this because Japan is the home of the third largest organized crime syndicate in the world...

[lordofduct]

The death penalty should not be applied to child rapists. Yes, it's an absolutely despicable crime, but putting the convicted to death could actually make these situations worse. How? Because if a rapist knows he could get put to death if caught, he will simply kill the child after the rape. No witnesses. Also, children and especially young children could be more inclined keep quiet about what's happening to them if they know that the perp could be put to death. Why? Because in most cases of child rape, the perp is a member of the family or a family friend. If the perp tells a 5-year-old that he'll be killed if word gets out, the little kid will keep his mouth shut. It doesn't make sense to us, but that's how a kid thinks.

You know, that's a really good point! Children already have a very hard time understanding what has occurred in these situations, and such a thing could complicate it even further.

[goaferboy]

The simple action of sharing that file with more people online is actually adding to the problem, and in effect creating more interest and demand for the content, which can then create more victims.

Yeah, I was going to go on to that, but I figured that I'd ranted enough. On the one hand, you can't encourage them by saying that pictures where the kid isn't in any kind of stress are fine to look at. But on the other hand, you can't be too hard on them since they did the least harmful thing possible in their situation. They COULD have gone out and raped a child. They COULD have got hold of images of actual child rape/abuse. But they didn't, because they realise that any forced sexual act is wrong. Obviously I'm only talking about the people who share the more "innocent" files.


This whole thing also raises another issue. The many times I've discussed/thought about this, I've thought "is it right to change someones sexuality?". I believe that a persons sexuality is not a choice, and what turns a person on is his/her own business providing that they don't have to forcibly harm someone to do it. It would be like someone trying to force you to be homosexual (or heterosexual if your gay). I don't think that "curing" people of their sexuality is even possible. I don't think that I could ever be "taught" to enjoy homosexual sex, so how can a peadophile be "cured"? I suppose they could be taught to suppress it, in the same way that monks suppress their sexual urges, but I don't think they can be taught to stop being attracted to children.

[raztat]

I wish I was Japanese and lived in Japan, only if life had a reset button!

After living in Japan for several years now, I really find that amusing~


And Moz, if you're for punishment of that magnitude, try the middle east. It's exactly how you say, from what I've heard.

Isn't Japan one of the largest hubs in the world for sexual slave traffic?

probally, but that is the one place i want to live, i may move there after retirement. only 40ish more years.