Light Guns and HDTV Question

[CRTGAMER]

I will be waiting for your results!
I want to connect the VGA box to my HD CRT with a VGA to DVI adapter.

On my post below found out VGA to Digital does not work for lightguns at least on one HDTV:

[Niode]

A little side note.

I have a PS2 Guncon 2 that does offer 480p mode. Seems that requires at least a CRT Enhanced (EDTV) Definition TV, which I believe most are at 100mhz. As far as I can tell through Sony Specs my CRT Wega is a 120 mhz something to do with their proprietary DCR / Cinemotion scan.

I have ordered official Sony AV adapter and expect it soon.
Though not optomistic I'll let everyone know if the Guncon 2 with Sony Time Crisis AV Adaptor works on my CRT HD. I will post results on below link at my signature.

That adaptor won't allow you to output a progressive picture... That's just composite...

[CRTGAMER]

That adaptor won't allow you to output a progressive picture... That's just composite...

The bottom accepts another Playstation video cable which has Component. The Composite on the side is for Guncon Video Connector.

[nester76]

I know this is 4 months old. But I got a used NES off ebay for 21 dollars. Works great. The gun was separate but anyhow all works great. We have an old RCA glass 20 (or maybe 19 I forget) inches tv. Works great on duckhunt. Then I tried my 65 inch Mitsubishi WS-65315 tv whic according to internet is rear projection crt. But no work. It is 240w and 60hz. So it should work but no good. I have 480i on all inputs. But no good. So it might not be the issue. However I finally hit 1 duck after switching to narrow mode. But haven't been able to do it again since. Not sure why even on narrow mode.

Any on to the solution. There is a way to make the gun work. With an HD upscaler. See this video. He is using DuckHunt on his HDTV just fine.



Oh and just found this.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5858711_play-du ... -hdtv.html

[Niode]

The nes zapper works on the principle that it whites out the screen when you pull the trigger. The targets (ducks in this case) are replaced with black squares. If the zapper sees the black squares it registers a hit to the game logic. In a nutshell. The whiteout lasts for roughly 1ms or 1 cycle of the TV on an old CRT TV. If your new HDTV doesn't refresh at this speed or faster (basically only CRT HDs and Plasmas can do it, I don't even know about OLED yet) the zapper won't see anything, and simply won't work.

[CRTGAMER]

The video looks to be a regular non-HD CRT, see the scan line? The other link had no proof. An upscaler won't work, NES Lightgun is matched to older 60hz CRTs.

Your Mitsubishi definitely won't work. You have a projection TV, the screen is just a reflection from an internal projector. There is no direct non-HD CRT screen for the light gun to read.

Your Mistsubishi Manual, right click and save.
http://www.seiaarons.com/Mitsubishi%20WS-65315.pdf

[nester76]

But at least it is 60hz. Anyhow if it is no good then how did I get a 1 hit to register?

And if that youtube video is crt then why was he talking about upscalers and timings?

[CRTGAMER]

But at least it is 60hz. Anyhow if it is no good then how did I get a 1 hit to register?

And if that youtube video is crt then why was he talking about upscalers and timings?

I have a HD 120hz CRT. When in the PS2 Guncon 480p calibration screen, I can sometimes though with difficulty hit the crosshair or multiple scan line crosshairs. Vertical placement is fine but horizontal goes everywhere due to the high HD scan rate.

Your 7 inch tube projected up to the reflected screen makes it even more difficult. Lightgun fooled by flash, surprised you did get a luck of the draw hit.

The scanline in that video a dead give-away of a CRT. LCDs don't do that. Upscalers will help but end picture is still displayed on a LCD, higher scan rate HD CRT or Projection TV Screen Reflected Image.

Check my CRT vs LCD signature link, did a big write up on this matter.

[Hobie-wan]

And if that youtube video is crt then why was he talking about upscalers and timings?

It is an HDTV, so the 256x240 resolution isn't just being doubled for SD resolution of 640x480, it's being stretched further to match the higher resolution of the TV. The upscaler he borrowed was apparently faster than the one in his TV, so it didn't mess up the timing for the gun. If you expand on the note by the poster, he also says it's a CRT.

[nester76]

But they are saying it works on rear projection as long as it is not 100mhz and mine is 60. So they are wrong?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/other-ga ... n-tvs.html

Maybe narrow mode is les stretching so that could be it but rear or no rear my mitsubishi is CRT not HDTV. It is HD Ready but not HD builtin so it should be ok. And it is CRT so why would that not be ok.