Beat-Em-Ups, the dudebro games of the pre-3D world?

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Re: Beat-Em-Ups, the dudebro games of the pre-3D world?

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pakopako wrote:
sabrage wrote:How many people do you actually know like this? This is entirely a construct of the internet, and it is self-contained within the internet.
Things rarely tend to stay self-contained. I mean, look at Internet-trolling. People now troll in real life. And will call it trolling.

Because bitter, insecure misanthropes are a new thing now?
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pakopako wrote:
sabrage wrote:How many people do you actually know like this? This is entirely a construct of the internet, and it is self-contained within the internet.
Things rarely tend to stay self-contained. I mean, look at Internet-trolling. People now troll in real life. And will call it trolling.

I was trolling before the internet.

Also the bitch thing was long long long before Paris Hilton was even born. I'm guessing pimps started that one.
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sabrage wrote:Because bitter, insecure misanthropes are a new thing now?

Pretty much, yeah. But now they're lauded. (flex wood, before Paris started saying it on television, can you really say that pimps were the word 'bitch' as a term of endearment?)

Look at how far the word dude has been flung. Or (whip-)cracker for that matter.

Although this may be an interesting case -- since DudeBro is a recent term, can it be applied backwards through history?
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I remember the 'non-nerdy' kids back then pretty much exclusively played sports titles. Beat 'em ups were just as nerdy as platformers and puzzle games. (Though nothing was ever as nerdy as RPGs - especially pre-FF7)

I didn't even notice non-nerds playing FPSs until that Medal of Honor on the PS2. The PS1 MOHs managed to not attract the jocks, but I remember MOH on PS2 suddenly becoming this breakthrough - everybody had to play it. Strange - and a bit coincidental: didn't the same crew that made the PS2 ones end up making COD?
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the7k wrote:I remember the 'non-nerdy' kids back then pretty much exclusively played sports titles. Beat 'em ups were just as nerdy as platformers and puzzle games. (Though nothing was ever as nerdy as RPGs - especially pre-FF7)

Could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that RPGs are still nerdy.

the7k wrote:I didn't even notice non-nerds playing FPSs until that Medal of Honor on the PS2. The PS1 MOHs managed to not attract the jocks, but I remember MOH on PS2 suddenly becoming this breakthrough - everybody had to play it. Strange - and a bit coincidental: didn't the same crew that made the PS2 ones end up making COD?

No, it was the people that made the PS1 MOH games, plus Allied Assault on PC. They were called Dreamworks Interactive until they were bought by EA, then they became EALA. After Allied Assault, a bunch of the employees quit to become Infinity Ward. The people who made the PS2 games still make MOH today AFAIK.
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I was a dudebro before dudebros were cool. Does that make me a dudebrohipster?
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BoringSupreez wrote:
the7k wrote:I remember the 'non-nerdy' kids back then pretty much exclusively played sports titles. Beat 'em ups were just as nerdy as platformers and puzzle games. (Though nothing was ever as nerdy as RPGs - especially pre-FF7)

Could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that RPGs are still nerdy.

You'd be surprised by a lot of people I've known over the years that loved Final Fantasy games and other RPG's.

This thread is hilariously bad.
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I don't know about so-called "dudebro" gamers, but I do remember a lot of kids playing beat 'em ups in the arcades back then. Konami brought in a lot of young kids with their licensed stuff. I mean, if you were a kid back then you loved the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. So when you saw a ninja turtles game in the arcade, that's what you played. I don't know if there were a lot of nongamers in arcades back then (aside from kids who maybe weren't gamers, but just went there to play Ninja Turtles or The Simpsons). I don't think gaming was super mainstream at the time, at least not on the same level as it became with the Playstation.

However, like someone else said, you could find arcade machines everywhere back then. So I suppose a fair share of non-gamers played quite a few beat 'em ups back then, even if they never visited an arcade. I mean you could go to the supermarket or pharmacy and find an arcade game back then. They might have attracted some non-gamers or non-nerdy people, along with the young kids that flocked to Konami's cartoon based beat 'em ups. However, I didn't personally notice many non-gamer types and older gamers ( teens to college age) hanging out in arcades in my local area until Capcom's comic book inspired, 2D fighters really hit it big like Marvel Super Heroes, X-Men vs Streetfighter, or Marvel vs Capcom. The closest thing I ever got to what you might call a "dudebro" experience is when I had a close call victory over someone in Marvel vs. Capcom and heard a couple of guys behind me all yell out like they had just seen a touchdown on TV :lol:

All my experiences are based on the local area I lived in back then, which was Scranton PA. So take that for what it's worth. I have no idea who was playing beat 'em ups throughout the country in arcades. I never really had friends to play console beat 'em ups with, just didn't have many hardcore gamer friends back then. So the much talked about co-op experience is something I didn't get with a lot of games unless I went to a local arcade. The SNES always seemed to have more 2D beat 'em ups than the Genny back then, but I still had lots fun with games like Comix Zone and the Streets of Rage games. I would late discover some other cool beat 'em ups on the Genesis.

As for beat 'em ups being all the same or lacking quality, I did an article focusing on a variety of beat 'em up games, mostly lesser known, more obscure titles that will hopefully show the amount of variety and depth to the genre. I don't know when Racketboy will put it up though. It's basically the beat 'em up equivalent to Ack's Hidden Gems of the 2D Fighter article. I wanted to cover 3D beat 'em ups too, but the article was big enough just with the 2D stuff. If you want to talk about beat 'em ups all being clones, look into some Beats of Rage games :lol:

A note on co-op, it's a huge part of the genre, but there has always been a thriving community of hardcore gamers who love going through a beat 'em up solo, and doing their best to beat in on one credit, or one life. That's when you really see the depth of a good beat 'em up. Too many people just credit feed through them or rely on a group of friends to get them through the game, then complain that the game is too simplistic or easy. On the flip side, you have your weaksauce gamers who can't get through a game solo without credit feeding and bash the game for its difficulty(i.e. most modern reviewers when an old school beat 'em up gets released on Xbox Live Arcade or PSN)
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I break the mold. My top 2 played genres are RPGs and sports games....
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Jmustang1968 wrote:I break the mold. My top 2 played genres are RPGs and sports games....

Nerdbro?

And pako the bitch thing was a pimp term that wasn't bad that actually. If you look at even hip hop in the 90s you had female rappers using bitch as a term of endearment and also empowerment. I was just saying that pimps are the ones that really put bitch in peoples vocabulary as it is used today. Also everyone looked up to pimps and wanted to be like pimps in the 70s. Now everyone wants to be on Jersey shore.
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