Help on protein intake

[Stark]

I would agree that most've this seems fishy, especially since only one of the links actually bothered to site their sources. I did find it interesting that one of them mentions how we are told not to microwave breastmilk as it chemically alters and deprives nutrients from it, which is backed up by the NIH (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 002451.htm), it just makes me curious about how it might be affecting other foods.

[Limewater]

I would agree that most've this seems fishy, especially since only one of the links actually bothered to site their sources. I did find it interesting that one of them mentions how we are told not to microwave breastmilk as it chemically alters and deprives nutrients from it, which is backed up by the NIH (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 002451.htm), it just makes me curious about how it might be affecting other foods.

Re-read the link you posted. They aren't recommending against microwaving breast milk because of some some mutagenic property of microwaves. They're recommending against it because it's really easy to overheat a small amount of liquid in the microwave, and excess heat damages a lot of the good stuff in breast milk.

I've always heard that you can superheat liquids in the microwave, if you have a smooth enough vessel. I've never attempted it.

EDIT: Corrected spelling. Too much Turtles talk earlier.

[Stark]

Yes you're right, it merely has the possibility of destroying the nutrient properties of breast milk through exessive heat. Thanks for clarifying. I'm not against microwaves, just interested in things like this.

[Gnashvar]

Scooby's Workshop really helped me lose weight and feel quite better about myself. I've been trying to follow things I read there from exercises to eating better. I didn't follow everything like I should have but I lost quite a bit of weight in 6 months and lost a lot of fat so muscles are starting to show.

http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/

[Limewater]

Scooby's Workshop really helped me lose weight and feel quite better about myself. I've been trying to follow things I read there from exercises to eating better. I didn't follow everything like I should have but I lost quite a bit of weight in 6 months and lost a lot of fat so muscles are starting to show.

http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/

I don't agree with everything Scooby preaches, but I would also recommend him as a resource. He puts out a ton of really great stuff for free, and I do really appreciate that he seems to have a lot of integrity.

I'll second the recommendation of his site, and also plug his youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961

[elmagicochrisg]

You notice how none of those links come from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov? That's a good clue that none of them have any scientific merit. Find some peer reviewed scientific studies that microwave use decreases the amount of nutrients actually absorbed and metabolized by microwave users and then we can talk. Otherwise, it's just pseudo-scientific scare mongering which is *extremely* common when we talk about nutrition.

And dude, those pages REEK of pseudoscience. You need a better bullshit detector.

None of the links come from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov?, so it must not have any scientific merit... ><

Seriously, I'm not even going to explain why this statement is hilarious... lol

Never forget that we live in a capitalist society. Money and power are more important than the people's health. And money and power buy the truth, or lack of it for that matter. Even though there is a small chance microwave ovens are not bad for your health, chances are very likely they are. The links I gave in my previous post were just picked randomly after a quick google search. I didn't really go into it. I did however read A LOT on the subject a few years ago. I'm not the kind of person to just believe anything he reads on the internet, on the contrary. I think everything must be met with a lot of reserve and scepticism. If you take your time you will find a lot of information on the subject. Deniers most of the time have no constructive arguments to prove the theory is wrong. On the other hand, people that believe microwave ovens are bad will in most cases be able to give you good arguments on why they are dangerous. Call it pseudoscience because it's not on a certain website if you like, but it's better than people just saying the theory or research is bullshit without giving any good reason why.

Read this:

http://chetday.com/microwave.html

Extract from the above:

"If you wanted to introduce a herbal supplement into the American mainstream and make any health claims for it, you would be subjected to exhaustive documentation and costly research. Yet the microwave-oven industry had only to prove that the dangerous microwaves could, indeed, be contained within the oven and not escape into the surrounding area where the radiation could do damage to people. The industry must admit that some microwaves escape even in the best-made ovens. So far, not one thought has been given by the industry to the possibility that the nutrients could be so altered as to be deleterious to health.
Well, this makes sense in a land that encourages farmers to poison crops and soils with massive amounts of synthesised chemicals, and encourages food processors to use additives that enhance shelf-life of foods regardless of the potential for degrading the health of the consumer."

Now read this:

http://chetday.com/microwave2.html

And to conclude, read this:

http://www.iidh.ed.cr/comunidades/liber ... erland.htm

The above text can be found on many other human rights websites from different countries.

Tell me, would the European Court of Human Rights take a case of 'pseudoscience' that serious?...

Take your time, read some stuff, contact the addresses in the end conclusion of the ECHR if you must, and make up your own mind. But please, don't just blatantly tell me this is pseudoscience. There was a time when they burned people at the stake for saying the Earth was round. And for good reason. The Earth is flat. Right... Right?...

[Limewater]

None of the links come from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov?, so it must not have any scientific merit... ><

Seriously, I'm not even going to explain why this statement is hilarious... lol

I'm an electrical engineer. While I don't really mess with it now, I actually used to do a lot of RF and antenna work. I've had to worry about RF hazard areas and stuff like that. I know a bit about the hazards, such as increased cancer risk and danger to sensitive reproductive systems. I have no concerns about microwave ovens, except that they don't heat food very evenly and I often burn the roof of my mouth by not letting stuff cool enough.

Even though there is a small chance microwave ovens are not bad for your health, chances are very likely they are.

I think you have your probability descriptors reversed. I am aware of no real, serious research that has shown such a hazard.

The links I gave in my previous post were just picked randomly after a quick google search. I didn't really go into it.

http://www.timecube.com/

Deniers most of the time have no constructive arguments to prove the theory is wrong. On the other hand, people that believe microwave ovens are bad will in most cases be able to give you good arguments on why they are dangerous.

A big part of this is how much these people have learned about Physics.

Call it pseudoscience because it's not on a certain website if you like, but it's better than people just saying the theory or research is bullshit without giving any good reason why.

That's not the reason it's pseudoscience. One other reason: Your second link continually jumps back and forth in making comparisons between RF and ionizing radiation. This is a ridiculous comparison.

The industry must admit that some microwaves escape even in the best-made ovens.

Shielding microwave ovens is actually pretty easy and effective, and RF leakage is very easy to measure. People check this stuff out.

So far, not one thought has been given by the industry to the possibility that the nutrients could be so altered as to be deleterious to health.

One of the articles you linked referred (incorrectly) to some actual research showing the effect of microwaving of broccoli. Despite what was reported, what was actually measured was a 97% decrease in flavonoids- something humans eat a lot of. If I wanted to spin things, I could easily point out the carcinogenic properties of flavonoids. Microwaves prevent cancer!

Tell me, would the European Court of Human Rights take a case of 'pseudoscience' that serious?...

This is a much sillier argument than the one Hatta made about the NIH. Of course it would.

There was a time when they burnt people at the stake for saying the Earth was round.

Who did this? When?

[final fight cd]

"If you wanted to introduce a herbal supplement into the American mainstream and make any health claims for it, you would be subjected to exhaustive documentation and costly research.

i don't know if i believe this. the only "research" going on would be the one funded by the company to make the product look good.

[elmagicochrisg]

Limewater, you are even funnier than Hatta. In a bittersweet way that is...

So I guess some education on why milk is bad for you is out of the question now?...

I might lose you guys completely on this one... ><

Just google 'milk is bad'...

I'm not kidding...

[dsheinem]

Just google 'milk is bad'...

But that's the problem. A basic Google search like that is not at all a strong research tool for getting to any kind of scientific or objective truth on an issue. If I Google "vaccines and autism" or "truth about 9/11" I am going to get a shit-ton of crackpot "evidence" related to these issues.

Also, how the hell has this thread gone so long without a joke about swallowing?!