Horror fans?

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Ack wrote:
You missed a couple of things about the plot I feel should be pointed out, because it's influenced how you feel about a specific character.

Said "jackass" could accept responsibility for his actions: he had no trouble with his incestuous relationship with his sister. But the sister has trouble dealing with it, and during one of their encounters, the main character witnesses them in the act and tells. The sister, unable to handle the discovery, commits suicide. The jackass then wants revenge against the first character for catching them, which ultimately led to his sister's death, so he plans an elaborate revenge in which he torments the man and then arranges things so the man has an incestuous relationship with his daughter. Finally, he kills himself, depriving the other man of his retaliatory revenge.

Ultimately the film is about one man attempting to get revenge on another man who's currently getting revenge, cycling their spite for each other with each new event. And that's ultimately what the Revenge Trilogy is about: how little revenge accomplishes.

Though I would argue that Lady Vengeance has the most positive ending out of the three. And the most satisfying.
Thanks a lot, Ack. Believe it or not, I started to post replies about Oldboy three different times and each time was unable to complete it (twice due to time constraints, and once due to a power fluctuation that killed my internet access for a couple of hours). Ultimately, you wrote a much more clear and concise post than I would have.

I agree that Lady Vengeance is the most satisfying of the three in terms of seeing revenge completed. It's hard to say that things end well for her, though. At the end she seems to regret what she did pretty strongly.
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Limewater wrote:
Ack wrote:
You missed a couple of things about the plot I feel should be pointed out, because it's influenced how you feel about a specific character.

Said "jackass" could accept responsibility for his actions: he had no trouble with his incestuous relationship with his sister. But the sister has trouble dealing with it, and during one of their encounters, the main character witnesses them in the act and tells. The sister, unable to handle the discovery, commits suicide. The jackass then wants revenge against the first character for catching them, which ultimately led to his sister's death, so he plans an elaborate revenge in which he torments the man and then arranges things so the man has an incestuous relationship with his daughter. Finally, he kills himself, depriving the other man of his retaliatory revenge.

Ultimately the film is about one man attempting to get revenge on another man who's currently getting revenge, cycling their spite for each other with each new event. And that's ultimately what the Revenge Trilogy is about: how little revenge accomplishes.

Though I would argue that Lady Vengeance has the most positive ending out of the three. And the most satisfying.
Thanks a lot, Ack. Believe it or not, I started to post replies about Oldboy three different times and each time was unable to complete it (twice due to time constraints, and once due to a power fluctuation that killed my internet access for a couple of hours). Ultimately, you wrote a much more clear and concise post than I would have.

I agree that Lady Vengeance is the most satisfying of the three in terms of seeing revenge completed. It's hard to say that things end well for her, though. At the end she seems to regret what she did pretty strongly.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Dae-su knew that the girl Woo-jin was with was his sister and I think he acccidentally revealed that info to someone else. People talk, young people in particular. Certainly not a reason to seek a revenge quest on someone. Certainly, the bride in Kill Bill or the woman in Lady Snowblood had better motives

Even so, it was Woo-jin's choice to pursue a relationship with his sister. The reason I hate him so much is because he is wanting revenge on someone for something he is directly responsiblie for. Everything that happened can be traced right back to him pursuing a relationship with her. If he wants revenge on anyone it should be himself.

I understand that revenge accomplishes nothing, but Oldboy has a guy pursuing revenge without even having a good reason for it

I remember reading a synopsis for Lady Vengeange's plot once as I wasn't sure if I wanted to see another Park Chan-wook movie and it did sound like a more satisfying movie

Damn, Ack. That's a lot of survival horror games
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jp1 wrote:
A Tale of Two Sisters- Beautifully shot and executed. Makes the top list easily.

Agreed! I don't know anybody around here who has even heard of that movie. Korean horror movies in my opinion tend to be a lot darker than Japanese horror movies too...
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Limewater wrote:I agree that Lady Vengeance is the most satisfying of the three in terms of seeing revenge completed. It's hard to say that things end well for her, though. At the end she seems to regret what she did pretty strongly.
I'd still say it's more satisfying, especially because she has the safety net of a crowd to fall back on. If a group commits a detestable atrocity, individual members can fall back on the others for a scapegoat or excuse. And the audience can come away with either of two responses: revulsion at the thought that the group committed retaliatory murder, or justified in the belief that the murdered party deserved it for crimes committed(not surprisingly amongst my friends, it tended to fall the same way the opinion of death penalties falls).

But I think we ought to quit hijacking this thread to discuss these films and stick with the horror....although admittedly while I've enjoyed much of the Korean horror and Japanese horror I've seen, I hated Sorum. And if you want a good Japanese horror film, watch Infection. It's...gooey.

And I'll throw a general question out to everybody reading. What's your favorite type of horror film? Slasher? Psychological? Creature feature? Zombie?

For me, I'd gear myself towards the psychological horror, particularly because I adore the imagery often associated with them. Jacob's Ladder and Session 9 are two of my favorite horror films.
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I'm not sure what category I'd file it under, but I've always liked it when a horror movie introduces some horrible thing but keeps an air of mystery to it? Like how you never saw the witch in the Blair Witch Project or the early parts of Cloverfield where you didn't quite see the monster in its entirety, or the air of mystery the Mist movie created about what was outside of the store. Nothing is more horrifying than the unknown.

I also find horror movies that focus on zombies or ghosts very interesting because they present us with horror that has a human face. The Descent had a bunch of cave dwelling creatures in it, but the best part of the movie was that one ending where she gets in her car and finds the friend she left for dead sitting in the passenger seat waiting for her. That was much more horrifying to me than any of those monsters they faced in the movie

So I guess I like horror movies that create mystery or horror movies with human based horror the best
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Gamerforlife wrote:I'm not sure what category I'd file it under, but I've always liked it when a horror movie introduces some horrible thing but keeps an air of mystery to it? Like how you never saw the witch in the Blair Witch Project or the early parts of Cloverfield where you didn't quite see the monster in its entirety, or the air of mystery the Mist movie created about what was outside of the store. Nothing is more horrifying than the unknown.

I also find horror movies that focus on zombies or ghosts very interesting because they present us with horror that has a human face. The Descent had a bunch of cave dwelling creatures in it, but the best part of the movie was that one ending where she gets in her car and finds the friend she left for dead sitting in the passenger seat waiting for her. That was much more horrifying to me than any of those monsters they faced in the movie

So I guess I like horror movies that create mystery or horror movies with human based horror the best
I loved the Descent. It also reminded me that my favorite horror movie that I have seen this year is Pandorum - you can probably guess why the Descent reminded me of this movie.
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I just picked up REPO: The Genetic Opera.

I got a feeling at least one of you could tell me how good this movie is.
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AwesomeMonstar wrote:I just picked up REPO: The Genetic Opera.

I got a feeling at least one of you could tell me how good this movie is.
Watch it twice. The first time will blow you away, but leave you a little unsure if you love it or not. After a week of not being able to get the film out of your head, watch it again. You will love it!
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I started collecting Horror VHS tapes after so many local video stores began liquidating them. I love slashers and the whole of the Amityville series (Except for Curse, which doesn't even deserve to be considered a sequel) as well as The Evil Dead and The Faculty (Which turned out to be better than everyone said).

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CABIN IN THE WOODS people.
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