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[GSZX1337]

Personally I do look at them the same way.

That's what I wanted.

[MrPopo]

Personally I do look at them the same way.

That's what I wanted.

That sentence combined with your avatar turns it from "I accept your view because it is consistent" to "Now you have fallen into my trap! Mwahahahaha!"

[GSZX1337]

Personally I do look at them the same way.

That's what I wanted.

That sentence combined with your avatar turns it from "I accept your view because it is consistent" to "Now you have fallen into my trap! Mwahahahaha!"

Mwahahahaha! I'm afriad I have to kill you now, Mr. Popo. You just know too much.

[Limewater]

Marijuana itself is pretty damn safe. It kills an average of 0 people a year, while alcohol and tobacco combined kill over 400,000 a year, and this is not including accidents while under the influence of alcohol.

I'm generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, though I have never smoked it myself and likely never will.

However, the above statement is pretty ridiculous. Yes, marijuana does kill people. Several studies have linked it to cancer. Here is the first article I find when googling "marijuana lung cancer".

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 095940.htm

Smoking kills people. Drunk driving kills people. Driving while high also kills people. Marijuana impairs one's ability to drive, but people who smoke it insist that it doesn't. And there's no quick, easy test for pot like there is alcohol.

It's just not that simple.

[Overload]

Marijuana itself is pretty damn safe. It kills an average of 0 people a year, while alcohol and tobacco combined kill over 400,000 a year, and this is not including accidents while under the influence of alcohol.

I'm generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, though I have never smoked it myself and likely never will.

However, the above statement is pretty ridiculous. Yes, marijuana does kill people. Several studies have linked it to cancer. Here is the first article I find when googling "marijuana lung cancer".

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 095940.htm

Smoking kills people. Drunk driving kills people. Driving while high also kills people. Marijuana impairs one's ability to drive, but people who smoke it insist that it doesn't. And there's no quick, easy test for pot like there is alcohol.

It's just not that simple.

That article proves nothing. The title even says "may" cause cancer. Marijuana use has not been proven to cause cancer.

I believe this would be a good link to look at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01729.html

All risks of the smoke being harmful can be circumvented by using a vaporizer.

I agree that driving while under the influence of a substance that impairs you isn't the wisest thing to do. However, marijuana just doesn't have the same level of impairment. Plus, many drivers are aware of their impairment and compensate by being more cautious. I've been in the car with high drivers plenty of times and you can't even tell. But that's neither here nor there.

I apologize for using profanity!
It is just that I have witnessed innocent people murdered due to "drug deals gone bad," and I always get worked up by recreational users who think it is a harmless drug.

These people weren't murdered by pot. They died because of the result of prohibition. If it were legal, there wouldn't be any "drug deals gone bad." It would be regulated like alcohol and tobacco. Marijuana itself is pretty damn safe. It kills an average of 0 people a year, while alcohol and tobacco combined kill over 400,000 a year, and this is not including accidents while under the influence of alcohol. These dangers and problems arise as result of prohibition.

That is the whole point!
I am not referring to marijuana itself, but the problems caused by people trying to obtain it. It is a fact that drugs are illegal, correct? Yet people still continue to purchase them. People obtain it from people who illegally grow it in the United States and in Mexico. Mexico is like Afghanistan at the moment, it is literally a war zone! The fact is people die process of trafficking drugs into the United States. The drug lords in Mexico buy military armaments with the drug money. They kill and kidnap innocent people to retain their dominance in the region. You also have gangs in the U.S. who have shootouts in the streets to retain dominance in the street as well.

Why is this happening? because some idiot could not cope with the stresses of life! All of this is simply supply and demand at its purest form.

Do you know what the solution is?
STOP CONSUMING DRUGS!

You also just proved my point, so say that the problem arises from prohibition?
Tobacco and Alcohol are legal, and how many problems have they caused?

No, the solution is to stop prohibiting drugs. Numerous species of animals use some sort of drug. Humans have always used drugs. People will never stop using them. The prohibition of alcohol also caused a ton of problems. I guess we haven't learned.

If it were to be legalized, there would not be all this crime associated with the drug.

I'm glad you recognize the problems with drug-trafficking. However, your solution is impractical.

At the very least, cannabis should be decriminalized. It's absurd to call someone a criminal for smoking pot in the privacy of their own home. It's no different from having a drink.

Find me a public opinion from a reputable addictionologist that states that marijuana is "pretty damn safe".

Addiction has nothing to do with how safe something is. Video games are safe, but people become addicted to them.

Cannabis is nowhere near as physically addictive as other drugs, if at all. This isn't to say people can't become psychologically addicted, though. As I stated before though, that doesn't mean the plant itself is harmful.

[Pookie]

I did not start a debate on how marijuana affects the human body, I have no idea were you guys are getting this from.

I just want people to acknowledge how this product travels from point A to point B, and the human factor involved. When I said that my people are being murdered by the drug, I was not referring to its use, but the greed of people trying to make a quick buck.

Also, as I have stated many times before! People acknowledge that legalization can be a solution, but in the meantime you are contributing to the problem. It is more than likely that the marijuana purchased by people here came from Mexico.

Is that so difficult to comprehend.

[Limewater]

That article proves nothing. The title even says "may" cause cancer. Marijuana use has not been proven to cause cancer.

*facepalm*

This isn't Math. Discussion of "proof" is inappropriate. You can stick bananas in your ears and say, "No, I'm only going to listen to the people who agree with me" all you want. The fact of the matter is, there is medical evidence linking marijuana smoking with cancer.

I believe this would be a good link to look at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01729.html

That study is from 2006. The one I referenced is from 2009. The study you referenced also ONLY looked at lung cancer.

All risks of the smoke being harmful can be circumvented by using a vaporizer.

This is irrelevant to your original claims about the harmfulness of tobacco and marijuana.

I agree that driving while under the influence of a substance that impairs you isn't the wisest thing to do. However, marijuana just doesn't have the same level of impairment. Plus, many drivers are aware of their impairment and compensate by being more cautious. I've been in the car with high drivers plenty of times and you can't even tell. But that's neither here nor there.

People who drive drunk also tend to be aware of their impairment and attempt to compensate by being more cautious. That doesn't make it safe. I have also been in the car with a high driver. He spent the whole time chatting away about how the pot didn't affect his driving at all. In Tennessee, they found that a third of people arrested for reckless driving came back positive for marijuana from a drug test given at the time of arrest.

[Overload]

That article proves nothing. The title even says "may" cause cancer. Marijuana use has not been proven to cause cancer.

*facepalm*

This isn't Math. Discussion of "proof" is inappropriate. You can stick bananas in your ears and say, "No, I'm only going to listen to the people who agree with me" all you want. The fact of the matter is, there is medical evidence linking marijuana smoking with cancer.

I believe this would be a good link to look at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01729.html

That study is from 2006. The one I referenced is from 2009. The study you referenced also ONLY looked at lung cancer.

I'd like to see this evidence linking marijuana-smoking with cancer. If it does cause cancer, it can't be a very high number seeing as marijuana-use kills an average of ZERO people a year.

"Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood. "

"Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied. "

Also, 3 years is negligible. If someone conducted that same exact study today, the results wouldn't really change. Marijuana hasn't changed in the past few years. Just because something is a few years old doesn't mean it's no longer true.

People who drive drunk also tend to be aware of their impairment and attempt to compensate by being more cautious. That doesn't make it safe. I have also been in the car with a high driver. He spent the whole time chatting away about how the pot didn't affect his driving at all. In Tennessee, they found that a third of people arrested for reckless driving came back positive for marijuana from a drug test given at the time of arrest.

I never said it was safe, and just because someone tested positive for marijuana at the time of arrest doesn't mean they were high at the time of arrest. THC stays in your system for some time.

[MrPopo]

I'd like to see this evidence linking marijuana-smoking with cancer. If it does cause cancer, it can't be a very high number seeing as marijuana-use kills an average of ZERO people a year.

As I'm positive you have a source for this number, mind citing it?

I never said it was safe

You sure as hell were implying it. If you felt it wasn't safe you would have said "Yes, driving while stoned is unsafe, just like driving drunk." Instead you came back with "THey realize they're stoned and compenstate."

[GSZX1337]

As I'm positive you have a source for this number, mind citing it?

A quick search on Google brought this:
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30