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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ear-itself



Man, this guy.. Brexit to the north pole for all I care WWII was an imperial war alright (and in hindsight, perhaps the rest of the planet benefited from the limeys going bankrupt trying to destroy Germany)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... -9kZb9nDoE

What a piece of shit this guy is

Inmates at the William C. Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore, Alabama, started a riot on Friday after a prisoner stabbed Warden Carter Davenport and a corrections officer. Inmates then lit fires and then engaged in a melee with correctional staff before being put down on Saturday by emergency response teams. On Monday, a prisoner stabbed another in the same dorm, and then the inmates barricaded themselves in for four hours until emergency response teams again intervened.

Nasty weekend.

Hmm, here's an article from The Guardian about the success of Trump's campaign. No matter what you think of the man or his supporters, I think it's worth a read:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support

I for one have already tuned out of this nonsense.



So I watched this a while back and forgot to mention it on here. Basically it's a pseudo-documentary that draws on fact and fiction alike to show how a possible end of the world scenario could take shape. This sort of rational(ised) madness always reaffirms to me the total danger of the nation state in the post-atomic age, not only to mankind but to all life on the planet as well.

Ack wrote:Hmm, here's an article from The Guardian about the success of Trump's campaign.

I'm not so sure about that one, Ack...Any article that attempts to blame Democrats for the person Republicans are choosing as their presidential nominee should be read very, very critically.

Barack Obama wrote:I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things but being blamed for who they are selecting for their party is novel.

Ack wrote:Hmm, here's an article from The Guardian about the success of Trump's campaign. No matter what you think of the man or his supporters, I think it's worth a read:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support

It sounds like a bunch of PR garbage to me. There is no way that Trump could or would do any of those things.

The man with his bravado, his attitude, and his mouth, would be more than embarassing in office. He would be downright dangerous. Let any one of our allies piss him off and watch our foreign relations go right down the toilet. He is not capable of holding his tongue, and tact is not something he is familiar with.

prfsnl_gmr wrote:

Ack wrote:Hmm, here's an article from The Guardian about the success of Trump's campaign.

I'm not so sure about that one, Ack...Any article that attempts to blame Democrats for the person Republicans are choosing as their presidential nominee should be read very, very critically.

Barack Obama wrote:I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things but being blamed for who they are selecting for their party is novel.

But that's the kicker. The Democrats have stylized themselves as the people protecting the rights of the working class, yet it's mainly working class whites that form Trump's base. It's easy to say, "Oh, it's cause they're all ignorant racists and that's why they vote Republican" but I see that as simple denial(or potentially either class warfare because it automatically assumes the working class are ignorant or personal prejudice because it assumes Republicans are racist and vote solely based on racism). Yeah, Trump's doing so well with his support group based on emotional appeal. But I think it's worth considering why that appeal is successful beyond simply claiming its based on racism, even if it means exploring some strange avenues.

Ack wrote:But that's the kicker. The Democrats have stylized themselves as the people protecting the rights of the working class, yet it's mainly working class whites that form Trump's base. It's easy to say, "Oh, it's cause they're all ignorant racists and that's why they vote Republican" but I see that as simple denial(or potentially either class warfare because it automatically assumes the working class are ignorant or personal prejudice because it assumes Republicans are racist and vote solely based on racism). Yeah, Trump's doing so well with his support group based on emotional appeal. But I think it's worth considering why that appeal is successful beyond simply claiming its based on racism, even if it means exploring some strange avenues.

Thank you. I get so tired of the idea that when Republicans come out against something, why, they must be doing it because deep down they're a bunch of racists. I don't think it's very useful for debate when one side tries to claim moral superiority to win the argument, particularly if it's a case where it doesn't really apply.

Trump's got a very strange, cross-party appeal. To some degree, blue-collar workers are starting to feel abandoned by Democrats, and Trump isn't like most Republicans they've ever heard. When he says stuff like "make America great again", they hear that he's bringing back their jobs, the way they used to live. It's projection of the highest order, but I'm sure we've never had a President take advantage of that in an election.

I do know conservative people that support Trump, too, but it's not that many. Almost every staunch conservative not only doesn't want him, they think he's the second coming of Hitler or Mussolini or something. I don't go quite that far, but he certainly ain't conservative, which is why I don't support him. I think he's attracting more of the working-class moderates, those that vote Republican or Democrat but aren't necessarily that ideologically aligned with either. They just want what they perceive is best for them. (If that's the best thing for the country, great, but I feel that the days of an electorate that puts the country ahead of itself may be gone.)

EDIT: Oh, and a (the?) KKK Grand Dragon endorsed Hillary for Pres. Fun times.

EDIT 2: Excellent article, by the way.

Sarge wrote:

Ack wrote:But that's the kicker. The Democrats have stylized themselves as the people protecting the rights of the working class, yet it's mainly working class whites that form Trump's base. It's easy to say, "Oh, it's cause they're all ignorant racists and that's why they vote Republican" but I see that as simple denial(or potentially either class warfare because it automatically assumes the working class are ignorant or personal prejudice because it assumes Republicans are racist and vote solely based on racism). Yeah, Trump's doing so well with his support group based on emotional appeal. But I think it's worth considering why that appeal is successful beyond simply claiming its based on racism, even if it means exploring some strange avenues.

Thank you. I get so tired of the idea that when Republicans come out against something, why, they must be doing it because deep down they're a bunch of racists. I don't think it's very useful for debate when one side tries to claim moral superiority to win the argument, particularly if it's a case where it doesn't really apply.

Trump's got a very strange, cross-party appeal. To some degree, blue-collar workers are starting to feel abandoned by Democrats, and Trump isn't like most Republicans they've ever heard. When he says stuff like "make America great again", they hear that he's bringing back their jobs, the way they used to live. It's projection of the highest order, but I'm sure we've never had a President take advantage of that in an election.

That cross-party and cross-demographic appeal is precisely why he's doing well so far, and why the "establishment" and the media are so perplexed about his success. I'm too lazy to gather the links for this post, but he's picking up larger percentages of minorities than any other Republican candidate. He got the majority of the vote in the most Muslim city in America, Dearborn, Michigan. He's winning a higher percentage of black votes than the other candidates, and IIRC he's doing well with hispanics too.

Additionally, he has appeal across all ages and education levels (he managed to win the post-grads in Mass., and regularly wins the young Republican vote). The big-city union demographic (white, male, low education) was traditionally a reliable Democrat demo; Trump does extremely well with them, while also picking up the more traditional rural conservatives. Turnout is way up too, much higher than the Democrat turnout so far.

And as Ack says, Democrats always posed themselves as being the champions of the working class - increasingly, they only seem to care about the working class if they're the right color or have the right sexual orientation. I'm sure many of those union types (I'm using this as a general term) would prefer to vote for a traditional Democrat, but that's hard when the Democrat party has abandoned them. They have white privilege - they're not experiencing any real poverty, right?

The classist politics that Democrats used to thrive on have been traded in for more narrow identity politics. Thing is, identity politics don't win elections any more than they sell movie tickets or video games. Hence Trump's big wins immediately following the BLM/Sanders riots at his rallies, IMO. People see stuff like that in the news, and it drives your average dude far away from the Democrat ballots.