What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

[darsparx]

So does obesity and income play a factor? My guesstimation is "yes".

I'm going to go ahead and call your BS on that, since there are places that are cheaper to shop at and still get good healthy food(Aldi for instance even if I hate the employees who are not in the least bit compassionate, and I don't like the way their stores are set up), and heck I'm pretty sure there's even coupons for healthy stuff as well. Fat acceptance is accepting setting up yourself for disease and more that tends to come with it(especially not taking care of yourself). Part of the problem is though that fast food(which I know i'm guilty of eating a little much of sometimes) is always the first thing people think of instead of cooking(and not even attempting the healthy options these places offer is another thing).


- On another note, getting transferred out to another store that's a lot closer and looks like might actually let me do the job I was originally hired for instead of the constant sending around the store I've been working at seems to do(I know they're doing it for good reason to get his Attainment rating at a proper place but I'm tired of doing anything but the job I was hired for...).

[Ziggy]

You still don't get exactly what I mean. I completely understand the original intent for fat acceptance. I just feel that the lazy type of fat person (the kind that only has themselves to blame) hears it as "It's OK to keep living the way you're living."

It IS ok for them to keep living the way they're living. They won't live as long as you and probably won't have as high a quality of life as you. But it's ok for them to be living that way.

Semantics with the word OK, you still don't understand what I mean.

I'm saying that specific type of overweight person might use fat acceptance as an excuse to keep living their unhealthy life style, even though they KNOW for certain that it's unhealthy and they SHOULD change their habits to give themselves a healthier life. It might make them feel better about being fat, and less likely to change anything.

It's "OK" for them to live like that, in the sense that their free to live like that if they choose. Sure. I never said they weren't. You said I said that, but that's not what I mean.

[pepharytheworm]

I really find it funny when people act like they care about obese peoples' health but seem to over look so many other signs of an unhealthy lifestyle. Also a lot of the info on calories is made up and based on loose facts. I want someone to tell me how many calories are in a pound and then where that number came from.

If you want a sure fire way to lose weight stop eating meat, dairy and limit food additives. You can eat as much as you want, no need for counting calories, and you can even up you fat and sugar consumption.

But the second you start saying that fat people need to better themselves then you've crossed the line. That's none of your business; it's between the person and their physician.

My insurance premiums and taxes do pay their increased healthcare costs...

But is that really overweight peoples fault? Sounds like your blaming the wrong people.

Really terrible analogy, because being a diabetic is not something you can change, like the aforementioned people who are fat for no fault of their own.

It is possible to have certain types of diabetes go in to remission.

At the end of the day, we all like pizza. Wait. Do black people like pizza?

That joke is not even close to funny. But wait. Do white people even know how to be funny?

[Exhuminator]

I want someone to tell me how many calories are in a pound and then where that number came from.

A pound of what?

[pepharytheworm]

I want someone to tell me how many calories are in a pound and then where that number came from.

A pound of what?

Of human fat.

[marurun]

So does obesity and income play a factor? My guesstimation is "yes".

I'm going to go ahead and call your BS on that, since there are places that are cheaper to shop at and still get good healthy food(Aldi for instance even if I hate the employees who are not in the least bit compassionate, and I don't like the way their stores are set up), and heck I'm pretty sure there's even coupons for healthy stuff as well. Fat acceptance is accepting setting up yourself for disease and more that tends to come with it(especially not taking care of yourself). Part of the problem is though that fast food(which I know i'm guilty of eating a little much of sometimes) is always the first thing people think of instead of cooking(and not even attempting the healthy options these places offer is another thing).

Study after study proves you wrong and Luke right (dammit, I hate having to type "Luke right"). It's not that there aren't places like Aldi that sell cheaper groceries. It's that a great many low-income people live in what are being called food deserts, where there aren't any Aldis within walking distance. There are a lot of folks who lack cars who can't drive 20 minutes to a grocery store. Their option is to walk to the corner quick mart, where you can pick up eggs, beer, and candy and snacks. Further, healthy eating often requires a certain amount of prep and/or cooking. When you are working poor, riding the bus to work and then back home, or even if you can afford to drive, you may also be caring for your kids on top of a couple or three part-time jobs, and maybe you don't have the time or energy to cook a healthy meal, which, by the way, still costs more than just buying something you pop in the microwave or pick up at McDonalds or the gas station on the corner.

Part of this is that grocery stores don't see the poorest neighborhoods as profitable places to set up. Another part of it is American farm subsidies. We pay farmers to control production of corn, wheat, sugar, etc... These are the ingredients of highly processed food that contribute the most fat and carbs, and almost nothing healthy. We don't subsidize lettuce, radishes, spinach, kale, carrots, or even potatoes the way we do soybeans, corn, and wheat. That means that processed foods are artificially cheap. Candy, soda, bread (the white, fiber-free kind), etc... Products like beef that depend highly on cheap grain are also artificially cheap, and beef is the Snickers of the meat world. And it means the healthy stuff is more expensive by comparison. When you have a super tight budget, you go for what gives you more calories for less money, so you won't feel as hungry.

If you want a sure fire way to lose weight stop eating meat, dairy and limit food additives. You can eat as much as you want, no need for counting calories, and you can even up you fat and sugar consumption.

First, a pound of human fat will probably contain between 2800 and 3700 calories, depending on the human. The typical count given is 3500, because it is a nice round number that's easy to deal with. Counting calories is still useful, even with this variation, because it makes folks more aware of what they are eating, and that awareness of calories and amounts can influence behavior positively.

The rest of what you say seems pretty wrong in the face of the past 10-15 years of nutrition science. Sugar and fat are the primary causes, generally speaking, of diabetes and weight gain, though sugar is showing up as the stronger culprit of the two due to the way blood sugar levels and insulin affect the body and the gut. Meat are dairy are not evils unless someone is predisposed to have trouble with them. Truth is, there is no way anyone can eat as much as they want and lose weight and be healthy. Overdoing it on anything is a problem. Eat too many carrots? You'll turn orange and probably end up pooping like a faucet.

Good health and good weight are a balancing act. For some it's a very easy balancing act as their lifestyles and/or bodies are very forgiving. For others, it's a very tough line to walk, for any number of reasons.

[darsparx]

And yet i'd still argue that there's probably been someone who's figured out how to turn the "quick corner mart" type grocery shopping into healthy on the cheap, and that if one person has done it there's others who could manage it. The problem is too though(and I'll admit i'm a victim of it too) is that with the overabundance of technology, and other things leading to lack of exercise it doesn't help(you can't blame income there since even just walking/running helps and most everyone can probably afford a bike of some sort if they're available)

[Exhuminator]

I want someone to tell me how many calories are in a pound and then where that number came from.

A pound of what?

Of human fat.

There are about 3,500 kilocalories per pound of human fat based on energy homeostasis research done over decades by scientists in various fields of studies. The calorie count of human fat is calculated in accordance to the laws of thermodynamics that measure the potential chemical energy released by said fat when it is broken down by the body. If you want to know in intimate detail how this all works (reliably in numerous lab studies), you will have to read books that go into excruciating detail about the methods employed. Here are some books that are well regarded:

Metabolic Regulation: A Human Perspective – Keith N. Frayn
Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism – Sareen S. Gropper / Jack L. Smith
Caloric Equivalents of Gained or Lost Weight. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition - M. Wishnofsky

I am sure you can find numerous white papers on the matter for free on the internet as well. As long as you can understand complex equations you should have no difficulty discerning the science.

[pepharytheworm]

If you want a sure fire way to lose weight stop eating meat, dairy and limit food additives. You can eat as much as you want, no need for counting calories, and you can even up you fat and sugar consumption.

First, a pound of human fat will probably contain between 2800 and 3700 calories, depending on the human. The typical count given is 3500, because it is a nice round number that's easy to deal with. Counting calories is still useful, even with this variation, because it makes folks more aware of what they are eating, and that awareness of calories and amounts can influence behavior positively.

The rest of what you say seems pretty wrong in the face of the past 10-15 years of nutrition science. Sugar and fat are the primary causes, generally speaking, of diabetes and weight gain, though sugar is showing up as the stronger culprit of the two due to the way blood sugar levels and insulin affect the body and the gut. Meat are dairy are not evils unless someone is predisposed to have trouble with them. Truth is, there is no way anyone can eat as much as they want and lose weight and be healthy. Overdoing it on anything is a problem. Eat too many carrots? You'll turn orange and probably end up pooping like a faucet.

Good health and good weight are a balancing act. For some it's a very easy balancing act as their lifestyles and/or bodies are very forgiving. For others, it's a very tough line to walk, for any number of reasons.

There are many types of fats and sugars and not all are bad, uping the amount does not mean eating huge amounts. A lot of the bad from fats is what you eat it with, how you cooked it, what kinda fat and what the fat came from. Coconut oil for instance is high in saturated fat but is one of the healthiest oils you could use. Like you said eating is a balancing act for good health, but I did not mention health, I mentioned weight loss. To gain weight on a plant-based diet you would have to purposefully go out of your way.

Name almost any meat or diary product and it's health benefit and I bet you I can find a healthier alternative, I bet you even could. I also never claimed nor do I claim diary or meat are evil, even if I think there are healthier alternatives.

Lastly I was being a little hyperbolic when I said you could eat as much as you want, but a plant-based diet is one of the few diets where quantiy isn't as much of a factor. Most people eating a plant-based (with few food additives) diet will naturally eat more as it digest quicker and it's not as easy to build a high calorie intake. The amount of sugars will also most likely increase with the amount of sugar that's in fruits and vegetables you'll be eating.

@Exhuminator
I knew the answer already. My point was that most don't nor do they know the wild fluctuations in that number or how it effects them.

[Fragems]

Really I think the biggest issue causing obesity is inactivity we have so much shit that we can do sitting on our assess anymore that many people just don't bother going out anymore.

It also doesn't help that we eat so many premade meals that are chalked full of preservatives and god knows what .

Life is life though and it's only natural that many people take the path of least resistance which in the case of the average American is a life of eating unhealthy/cheap foods, and experiencing the instant gratification of televised and digital entertainment.

What America needs is a few lean years or another World War that would whip us in to shape well those that were left anyways.