The Wrestling Thread

[jmbarnes101]

Emma made her Raw debut!!! Very disappointed in the lack of an audience pop but thrilled to see her on Raw. Let the Emma-lution begin.

Plus another great Wyatt Family promo. Run!

[RCBH928]

I dunno... The Undertaker is up there with Hogan. I do not think they will let Wyatt end his streak. When Hogan was going to job for someone, he did it for the Ultimate Warrior, another icon.

And lastly, Warrior is not an icon. Hogan is. You can't even toss in Warrior's name in with people like Austin, Rock, Flair, Macho Man, Undertaker, etc. He's not even remotely in their league

I am willing to bet that The Warrior is more recognizable than 98% of WWE's roster. He hard a short stint, but he was very iconic of wrestling back then. He had the backup of the fans, just see the pop when goes running to the ring in the old videos.

If some one is going to end Taker's career it better be some one who can carry the company for at least the next 6 years

[Gamerforlife]

I dunno... The Undertaker is up there with Hogan. I do not think they will let Wyatt end his streak. When Hogan was going to job for someone, he did it for the Ultimate Warrior, another icon.

Which ended up being one of the worst decisions in the company's history, because everyone backstage hated Warrior and he couldn't wrestle a good match to save his life and ultimately he was not able to use his win over Hogan to boost his career.

You're also comparing apples to oranges. The Hogan/Warrior match is not nearly as significant as ending the streak, and today I doubt they'd give that honor to someone like Warrior, who would not deserve it on any level

And lastly, Warrior is not an icon. Hogan is. You can't even toss in Warrior's name in with people like Austin, Rock, Flair, Macho Man, Undertaker, etc. He's not even remotely in their league

Anyway, Bray can wrestle and he has great promos. If they spent a year, or maybe two building him up as a believable main eventer, he could be the guy that ends the streak, which would cement him as a top tier heel for years to come. WWE is desperately in need of good heels. Randy Orton sucks, and his last heel turn has been a bust thanks to Triple H and Stephanie burying him on TV on a weekly basis by talking to him like he's a child. The duo of Heyman and Lesnar is awesome, but Lesnar is a part timer so you can't make him a top heel. I think Dean Ambrose is top heel material, but the only member of the Shield WWE seems interested in right now is Reigns, because he - to quote someone I heard on a recent podcast interview, "looks good naked".

I kind of wish Vince and Hunter would bite the dust, as terrible as that sounds, and Cena would get a career ending injury. I'm so sick of how boring that product is and it's because of those three men.

I know A LOT about the era when Hogan and Warrior were the it guys. It wasn't so much that guys hated him (at least not at first), nor was it that he couldn't use the win. It's that he let it all go to his head, literally. He started believing his own hype and thinking he was this larger than life guy (he still does). At first though, he was a hard-working, well rounded performer that the WWF could count on.

It was almost immediately after that WM VI run that he started to believe his own hype and started getting greedy. He started asking for more and more money and he started refusing to work with certain people. At first, the WWF obliged. But at a point, they said no more. When that happened, Warrior started refusing to do booked shows and or just did no-shows all-together. Then of course, that caused a lot of back-and-forth animosity between him and the rest of the company (and of course him refusing to work with certain people, didn't earn him any friends in the back).

When I say he started believing his own hype, I mean that in the most literal sense, too. He lives and breathes that Warrior character, and lives by those credos, now. Go check him out on YouTube, it's kind of funny.

Nice post, that kind of fits with some of the stuff I've heard about him. I don't know if you could have ever called him a well rounded performer though. He couldn't really wrestle. His promos were pretty funny when you look at them now though. I probably will look him up on youtube just to see what kind of crazy stuff has come out of his mouth over the past couple years. I've read that Punk has a bit of a friendship with him, which surprised me. He supposedly even wanted to induct him

Something I saw today that really shocked me, WWE just acknowledged the existence of Ring of Honor. Are they desperately pandering to Punk/Bryan fans now?

http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-of-h ... e-26179913

[BurningDoom]

Something I saw today that really shocked me, WWE just acknowledged the existence of Ring of Honor. Are they desperately pandering to Punk/Bryan fans now?

http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-of-h ... e-26179913

In rare instances, they actually do acknowledge the other guys. I just rewatched the episode of Raw when ECW (the REAL ECW, this was before the buy-out) invaded. And Vince McMahon was still an announcer then. He commented that the Blue World Order was nothing more than a rip-off of the New World Order, like all of Heyman's rip-off ideas.

Watched that on the excellent, and highly recommended Raw 20th Anniversary Set. No WWE fan's collection is complete without this.

[RCBH928]

I think when they did the ECW feature on RAW it was because Vince was losing against WCW , and he just does not know what to do, so this was one of the ideas to try and push RAW ratings up by joining forces with ECW. Think of it this way, if you heard ECW was on RAW will you watch it or not? I would.

There was no other instance where WWE supported another fed. , but I was surprised that Punk mentioned Ring of Honour last year I believe or the year before that on RAW.

Any way, WWE is big that it does not hurt them to mention the little guys. This is like Eminem mentioning a musician who plays in bars in the weekends.

[BurningDoom]

I think when they did the ECW feature on RAW it was because Vince was losing against WCW , and he just does not know what to do, so this was one of the ideas to try and push RAW ratings up by joining forces with ECW. Think of it this way, if you heard ECW was on RAW will you watch it or not? I would.

There was no other instance where WWE supported another fed. , but I was surprised that Punk mentioned Ring of Honour last year I believe or the year before that on RAW.

Any way, WWE is big that it does not hurt them to mention the little guys. This is like Eminem mentioning a musician who plays in bars in the weekends.

I was actually more making the point of Vince mentioning the nWo. Just because most of the time they act like WWE is the only wrestling in the world and nothing else exists.

[Gamerforlife]

What's interesting is that the article actually talks about Ring of Honor's influence on WWE, and finally acknowledges Bryan's history before WWE, along with Seth from The Shield, Antonio Cesaro, and CM Punk's pal Colt Cabana. Apparently, they had some kind of Bryan documentary on their site too

Dragon Gate even got some exposure from that Ring of Honor article. That's like super indie.

[RCBH928]

I am surprised Vince mentioned the nWo on RAW during the Monday Night Wars , maybe it was a mistake he did during commentary . In the dvd Monday Night Wars they mentioned that the WWE was cutting cost so much that water coolers were starting to disappear , WCW was going to make Vince bankrupt hard to believe Vince would advertise for them.

[SNESdrunk]

I kind of wish Vince and Hunter would bite the dust, as terrible as that sounds, and Cena would get a career ending injury. I'm so sick of how boring that product is and it's because of those three men.

I know what you mean -- it sounds morbid but the only thing that's going to get me interested in following (as in, reading the results and ordering WM once a year) would be either getting themselves off the stock market and becoming a private company again, or Vince keeling over. Over the past 10+ years I've gone from watching every week, to watching once a month, to never watching and only reading the results, only reading once a month, then just flat out not giving a crap and deleting all my wrestling bookmarks.

[BurningDoom]

I am surprised Vince mentioned the nWo on RAW during the Monday Night Wars , maybe it was a mistake he did during commentary . In the dvd Monday Night Wars they mentioned that the WWE was cutting cost so much that water coolers were starting to disappear , WCW was going to make Vince bankrupt hard to believe Vince would advertise for them.

That explains the production values then. That episode of Raw, as cool as it was, looked like an early ECW episode in a beer hall. And sounded about the same.