Kickstarter "Tropes vs Women in Videogames"

[AppleQueso]

Apple wouldn't you say that being a gamer is seen in society as a thing for boys so how wouldn't it be a gender role issue?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe? I mean it wasn't always seen as a primarily "boy" interest, that's something that developed over time.

It's a semantic thing I guess, and I could very well be taking something different from the phrase "gender role issue" than what you or ZeroAX mean.

In any case, I'd say that the idea of gaming being a "boy's thing" is itself an issue that needs to be resolved. There's no reason that should be the case.

[MrPopo]

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http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

[Jmustang1968]

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http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

That is unfortunate they have to suffer some of that. Though, I think it is actually a crazy minority that is giving most of the male gamers a bad name. Guys from 4chan or wizard (cant remember the site name) and the antisocials who go nuts on the internet.

Male devs get the death threats often as well, but women are more unique in that they get rape threats as well.

[flex wood]

Relevant to the overall conversation:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

That is unfortunate they have to suffer some of that. Though, I think it is actually a crazy minority that is giving most of the male gamers a bad name. Guys from 4chan or wizard (cant remember the site name) and the antisocials who go nuts on the internet.

Male devs get the death threats often as well, but women are more unique in that they get rape threats as well.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that people working in the game industry actually keep an online presence and listen to feedback so this stuff is constantly shoved in their faces, as opposed to say professional athletes, who get death threats just as much if not more, but they trend to have less of an online presence and don't really seem to react to the threats.

Making these kind of threats isn't about someone actually planning to carry out what they say but trying to instill fear or get a reaction from the person. Anytime they can get someone to disable their twitter, facebook, website or what ever, they see it as a victory.

[dsheinem]

Relevant to the overall conversation:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

That is unfortunate they have to suffer some of that. Though, I think it is actually a crazy minority that is giving most of the male gamers a bad name. Guys from 4chan or wizard (cant remember the site name) and the antisocials who go nuts on the internet.

Male devs get the death threats often as well, but women are more unique in that they get rape threats as well.

But male devs don't get threats BECAUSE they are male. Key difference.

[pepharytheworm]

Relevant to the overall conversation:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

That is unfortunate they have to suffer some of that. Though, I think it is actually a crazy minority that is giving most of the male gamers a bad name. Guys from 4chan or wizard (cant remember the site name) and the antisocials who go nuts on the internet.

Male devs get the death threats often as well, but women are more unique in that they get rape threats as well.

That sounds a lot like #notallmen. Its not just a small minority doing these behaviors who are 4chan or antisocial nuts. I see "normal" guys doing some of these behaviors like its acceptable.

[BoneSnapDeez]

[Jmustang1968]

Relevant to the overall conversation:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/592619 ... harassment

This sort of thing makes me wish we could reenact the ending of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

That is unfortunate they have to suffer some of that. Though, I think it is actually a crazy minority that is giving most of the male gamers a bad name. Guys from 4chan or wizard (cant remember the site name) and the antisocials who go nuts on the internet.

Male devs get the death threats often as well, but women are more unique in that they get rape threats as well.

But male devs don't get threats BECAUSE they are male. Key difference.

But that is also a logical stretch. How many are getting threats because they are women and how many would get threats regardless but the tone or style of the threat is gender-based? I think both happens. Just like when these people find out if their target is some sort of minority or has some disability. Really, just when the person who is threatening perceives any type of sensitivity, they will attack what they feel is a weak spot or will strike home the hardest.

And Prephary, I dont get involved with any of these hashtag bullshit twitter campaigns, so whatever point you are trying to make or try to insinuate that I think it is ok to threaten people online like that, it can stop there.

[Forlorn Drifter]

That sounds a lot like #notallmen. Its not just a small minority doing these behaviors who are 4chan or antisocial nuts. I see "normal" guys doing some of these behaviors like its acceptable.

There is a reason that some men turn to a "not all men" style argument though. You read articles constantly over how men treat women badly in the gaming universe, and you know what? It makes you feel pretty shitty if you are male, and it does sting to get constantly thrown in with generalizations and such. I constantly get thrown into spiteful generalizations because of who I am, very little of which I had a choice with. I am a white, straight, Christian male from the Southern U.S. (won't argue the semantics of Texas being southern or not, but as soon as some pulls the racism card, it is.) and I'm treated like the devil by most people for it. And it hurts to get told this stuff constantly. Hell, it reinforces the stereotypes that I'm supposed to fit, and in some cases pushes me more towards those stereotypes because I don't know what else to do.

Either way, this isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. Internet anonymity is literally a large part of the problem here. I doubt most of these people would do any of this if they had to make a hand written letter or go in person and do these things. I really think that's the biggest part of the problem. If nobody knows who you are, what stops you from saying anything? That's the key here.

[pepharytheworm]

That sounds a lot like #notallmen. Its not just a small minority doing these behaviors who are 4chan or antisocial nuts. I see "normal" guys doing some of these behaviors like its acceptable.

There is a reason that some men turn to a "not all men" style argument though. You read articles constantly over how men treat women badly in the gaming universe, and you know what? It makes you feel pretty shitty if you are male, and it does sting to get constantly thrown in with generalizations and such. I constantly get thrown into spiteful generalizations because of who I am, very little of which I had a choice with. I am a white, straight, Christian male from the Southern U.S. (won't argue the semantics of Texas being southern or not, but as soon as some pulls the racism card, it is.) and I'm treated like the devil by most people for it. And it hurts to get told this stuff constantly. Hell, it reinforces the stereotypes that I'm supposed to fit, and in some cases pushes me more towards those stereotypes because I don't know what else to do.

Either way, this isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. Internet anonymity is literally a large part of the problem here. I doubt most of these people would do any of this if they had to make a hand written letter or go in person and do these things. I really think that's the biggest part of the problem. If nobody knows who you are, what stops you from saying anything? That's the key here.

The problem is you should first acknowledge and condemn the behaviors. There is no reason to say you are a "good guy" and "not all men" are like that. You are showing them by condemning the behaviors.