Video Game "Look what I found"

[Snatch1414]

Well, the problem is that Captain America & The Avengers just isn't as good as Hyperstone Heist. There's still less demand for the former than the latter.

Is it 4x the game that Cap & The Avengers is? That's hard to believe given they're both pretty well-done beat 'em ups.

Yes, it is, and no, they are not. They may "seem" similar, but Avengers isn't that good, nor is it as good as TMNT. Is TMNT $100 good? That's a different debate, but have you played Avengers on the Genesis? Same genre =/= same game quality.

I think Avengers is a decent beat 'em up. TMNT is a great one. That doesn't equal 4x the dollars for me but if it does for you that's your opinion. We're not really able to quantify this anyways.

[aaron]

It's no more incessant than the people that show up like clockwork to whine about the whining. See I "think" that games in general are too expensive but that's just an opinion. On the other hand to try and account for popularity, size of production run, etc. and still not be able to reconcile the prices of two seemingly similar games is another.

It's more a commentary on the people that splurge on the stuff than the people that charge those prices. Would you argue that a gold-plated cell phone cover is worth $5,000 because a bunch of yahoos are willing to pay for it? Of course not. I don't know why THAT is so hard to understand.

EDIT: A better example would be those Monster brand HDMI cables that are $50-100. Is something worth the price just because uninformed people buy it? Also there is a thread on NintendoAge with the title something like "Game Prices That Make You Go Huh?". Are those people all crazy too?

it's worth the price to whoever wants to pay it. this is such simple logic, and the fact that most people conflate their own opinions about what items "should" be "worth" and what an item actually, regularly sells for, is insane.

garbage like this is why i don't collect or play console games at all anymore.

[Fragems]

Really it is supply and demand sure there are some games with stupidly high prices. However if people are willing to pay it sellers aren't going to undersell, and buyers are going to blow whatever they feel comfortable with. Frugal buyers at this point should be aware that eBay and Amazon are not the places to go for "Rare" or popular games unless they have to have it immediately . Sadly a lot of illogical sellers offline use those prices as a benchmark without considering seller fees, shipping/Supplies cost, and the general risk of returns and/or scams that come with online sales.

We live in a society where instant gratification is expected and people are willing to pay a premium online to get what they want when they want it .

That being said there is plenty of shit to collect both online and offline for a very reasonable prices why everyone always gets stuck up on the handful of ridiculously overpriced games is beyond me .

[Snatch1414]

It's no more incessant than the people that show up like clockwork to whine about the whining. See I "think" that games in general are too expensive but that's just an opinion. On the other hand to try and account for popularity, size of production run, etc. and still not be able to reconcile the prices of two seemingly similar games is another.

It's more a commentary on the people that splurge on the stuff than the people that charge those prices. Would you argue that a gold-plated cell phone cover is worth $5,000 because a bunch of yahoos are willing to pay for it? Of course not. I don't know why THAT is so hard to understand.

EDIT: A better example would be those Monster brand HDMI cables that are $50-100. Is something worth the price just because uninformed people buy it? Also there is a thread on NintendoAge with the title something like "Game Prices That Make You Go Huh?". Are those people all crazy too?

it's worth the price to whoever wants to pay it. this is such simple logic, and the fact that most people conflate their own opinions about what items "should" be "worth" and what an item actually, regularly sells for, is insane.

garbage like this is why i don't collect or play console games at all anymore.

I don't get why it is such a sore spot for some of you. Is it just an overdone topic? Then I'll create a catch all thread and people can vent in there. Or not. Also are we really going to comb through and determine what conversations on this forum are "garbage"? If so we're going to be here awhile. That's ok though. If there's a line of conversation I don't care for I just ignore it, but I don't know why the same doesn't apply here.

[mjmjr25]

Is something worth the price just because uninformed people buy it?

Why do you assume they are uninformed? Uninformed comes in to play when an item is readily available at a lesser price elsewhere. The person spending $100 for a CIB Hyperstone (or other) when they can be spending $50...that's uninformed. Tell us where these "overpriced" retro games are and then show us where they can be had for much less - then you can call them uninformed.

Also there is a thread on NintendoAge with the title something like "Game Prices That Make You Go Huh?". Are those people all crazy too?

The amount of lulz here is immeasurable. Thank you for this. Srsly.

[Snatch1414]

Is something worth the price just because uninformed people buy it?

Why do you assume they are uninformed? Uninformed comes in to play when an item is readily available at a lesser price elsewhere. The person spending $100 for a CIB Hyperstone (or other) when they can be spending $50...that's uninformed. Tell us where these "overpriced" retro games are and then show us where they can be had for much less - then you can call them uninformed.

Also there is a thread on NintendoAge with the title something like "Game Prices That Make You Go Huh?". Are those people all crazy too?

The amount of lulz here is immeasurable. Thank you for this. Srsly.

I mean uninformed as in it's one thing to pay for say, a game that was never in great supply. A game like Hyperstone or Turtles in Time is a lot different I think. They manufactured quite a few, and people find them consistently. I don't believe the price is justified. Why is that inherently wrong to think? If I think a Lexus isn't worth the price tag am I just automatically a complete idiot?

As for the NA comment, what? If it comes from NA it must be a joke? There's nothing relevant being said whatsoever on that site? Don't bother explaining though I guess. The holier than thou stuff is really silly.

[mjmjr25]

I don't think you grasp supply and demand at all.

Using Hyperstone - I don't know the exact numbers, but this should encapsulate the idea.

-Hyperstone sold 1 million copies.
-Hyperstone was a very good game and TMNT has a dedicated fan base (part of why it sold 1 million copies)
-Over 20 years probably 1/4 of all copies were broken, damaged, lost, etc
-Over 20 years probably another 1/4 had the art and manuals damaged or thrown out.
-So, there are now 500K CIB copies of a game there used to be 1 million copies of
-There are now 2 generations of gamers looking for this game (and other retro games)
-The original owners (many of us) whom bought it as kids, lost it or sold it when we got out of gaming, and now want it back as gamers, or to share w/our kids, or to feed our own nostalgia.
-A younger generation of gamers with some disposable income - the 16-24 crowd who weren't around when this game came out, but now they hear and read about it, and they too would like to try it out.

Here's where it gets tricky...apparently.
-There are LESS copies of Hyperstone Heist on the Earth TODAY than at any point since it was released. (LOWER SUPPLY)
-There are MORE people who would like to own it. (DEMAND)

[Snatch1414]

I don't think you grasp supply and demand at all.

Using Hyperstone - I don't know the exact numbers, but this should encapsulate the idea.

-Hyperstone sold 1 million copies.
-Hyperstone was a very good game and TMNT has a dedicated fan base (part of why it sold 1 million copies)
-Over 20 years probably 1/4 of all copies were broken, damaged, lost, etc
-Over 20 years probably another 1/4 had the art and manuals damaged or thrown out.
-So, there are now 500K CIB copies of a game there used to be 1 million copies of
-There are now 2 generations of gamers looking for this game (and other retro games)
-The original owners (many of us) whom bought it as kids, lost it or sold it when we got out of gaming, and now want it back as gamers, or to share w/our kids, or to feed our own nostalgia.
-A younger generation of gamers with some disposable income - the 16-24 crowd who weren't around when this game came out, but now they hear and read about it, and they too would like to try it out.

Here's where it gets tricky...apparently.
-There are LESS copies of Hyperstone Heist on the Earth TODAY than at any point since it was released. (LOWER SUPPLY)
-There are MORE people who would like to own it. (DEMAND)

I do understand that. My contention lies with how all that's quantified into a dollar amount. There's no empirical evidence that you can sit down, examine, and say that Hyperstone checks in at $100 CIB, and here's why Game X checks in at say, $75 CIB. It's very ambiguous. If a lot of people agree that $100 sounds right they're certainly within their rights to do so. I just don't know why I'm not within my rights to say that's too high, just like I think certain games are too low given other prices.

My point is show me actual data that justifies the price or gets it within the ballpark, and will also hold true when determining another game's going rate. If there's no guide, or at least nothing to even determine a range, I don't see what's so ridiculous about pointing out that some prices are seemingly out of whack or can't be reconciled with others.

[prfsnl_gmr]

My point is show me actual data that justifies the price or gets it within the ballpark, and will also hold true when determining another game's going rate. If there's no guide, or at least nothing to even determine a range, I don't see what's so ridiculous about pointing out that some prices are seemingly out of whack or can't be reconciled with others.

The price is the data. This is pretty much economics 101...

[Snatch1414]

My point is show me actual data that justifies the price or gets it within the ballpark, and will also hold true when determining another game's going rate. If there's no guide, or at least nothing to even determine a range, I don't see what's so ridiculous about pointing out that some prices are seemingly out of whack or can't be reconciled with others.

The price is the data. This is pretty much economics 101...

Again with the Lexus example: So if two guys sit down and one says "I like my Lexus. Totally worth the price," and the other guy says "I had one and I wouldn't recommend anyone get one for what they go for," is the second guy's opinion just invalid simply due to the fact that people buy cars from Lexus?

I understand that you're saying the market dictates. What I don't get is why I can't say "That game's price does not add up from everything I've seen." The idea of "it must add up because people pay for it" is a hand-wavey notion. It's like saying "the people have spoken", then not bothering to examine if the people have any clue what they just voted for. In the case of games, show me why and how it correlates to a dollar amount.