The Wrestling Thread

[BurningDoom]

Wrestlemania was $70 in HD, maybe $50 is the non HD price.

I gotta say, even though I enjoyed the show because of how hard everyone worked, it wasn't worth $70. Vince is a thief in my opinion. As Manias go, this won't be remembered as one of the worst, but not one of the best either.

Crap. I didn't realize it raised to $70. And I thought $50 was too much.

[TheRev]

I gotta say, even though I enjoyed the show because of how hard everyone worked, it wasn't worth $70. Vince is a thief in my opinion. As Manias go, this won't be remembered as one of the worst, but not one of the best either.

Agreed this mania was just, THERE. But if anyone expected it to top last year they are going to be disappointed. I'm convinced now that at this point in the Continuity of Wrestlemania. A classic mania for the ages can't be manufactured, it's just something you fall into. 17 everything fell into the right place, Last year everything was just right, 24 was like that so was 14.

When they try to make an all time greatest Wrestlemania, you get something like Wrestlemania 20 where it's not a bad show but nothing really great either. Same with this year they tried to make it one of the greatest manias of all time but fell short. Mania 18 was like that too.

[the King]

Anyway, looks like I was right about Steph(as I am about most things)

http://allwrestling.com/news/49396/step ... a-post-wm/

Yeah, good call as always...

[Menegrothx]

Rock/Cena was fucking amazing, Rock's best match this year. Match of the night for me

I enjoyed the match but the ending was weak. Just before Cena reversed that Rock Bottom, Rock looked absolutely fine. I'm supposed to believe that FU (it's not AA, it's FU, period) was so much more devastating than all the others that it took Rock from looking fine and having the upperhand to defeat instantly?

Could some one explain me how the hell modern Wrestlemanias draw such huge crowds? I can understand that there are big differences between the capacites of different arenas (MSG is 20k max afaik), but WM is the biggest event of the year so one would assume that they try to make it as big as possible. Between WM 1 and 22, majority of WMs had an attendance of less than 20k. 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 17, 18 and 19 had between 40k and 93k. WM3 had a huge crowd (93k), but other than that before WM 23 biggest crowds were 67-68k. 23 and onwards all have had an attendance between 70k and 80k. How the hell do events with a lot less intresting matches and wrestlers draw 4 times bigger crowds?
Similarly Starrcades at the peak of WCW's popularity had relatively small crowds. 1996:9,030 1997:17500 1998: 16,066 (1995:8,200 1999: 8,582)

[TheRev]

If Bish decided to run a Stadium at WCW's Peak in 1996-97 it would have sold out too.
It's just Vince Realized..if you book it them will come.

To be fair New Japan sells out the Tokyo Dome every January 5th

[Menegrothx]

Jericho vs Fandango.... what the hell did Y2J do to deserve that? Have an affair with Stephanie McMahon?
Wrestling fans like to complain how older stars like to bury new talent and what not but damn... seeing Y2J loosing to some no name flamboyant sissy boy via small package pin at the grandest stage of them all after carrying him for the whole match... and that Gordon Ramsay look.... it's just painful to watch. Just retire while you still have your dignity, I'm begging you. You're doing your great career a giant disservice by ending it in such a pitiful way.

To be fair New Japan sells out the Tokyo Dome every January 5th

Except during 2007-2009 and 2013.

[TheRev]

Wrestle kingdom this year sits on my 2TB Hard Drive unwatched...was it really not a sell out?

[Menegrothx]

29k attendance. Previous 3 years had 41.5-43k. 1993 had 63.5k.

[Gamerforlife]

Jericho vs Fandango.... what the hell did Y2J do to deserve that? Have an affair with Stephanie McMahon?
Wrestling fans like to complain how older stars like to bury new talent and what not but damn... seeing Y2J loosing to some no name flamboyant sissy boy via small package pin at the grandest stage of them all after carrying him for the whole match... and that Gordon Ramsay look.... it's just painful to watch. Just retire while you still have your dignity, I'm begging you. You're doing your great career a giant disservice by ending it in such a pitiful way.

To be fair New Japan sells out the Tokyo Dome every January 5th

Except during 2007-2009 and 2013.

You know, it's funny how people often complain about wrestlers burying talent. With Jericho, I feel the exact opposite. I'm sick and damn tired of him putting people over. I know it shows what a great guy he is for being so willing to do that, but he needs to find his self respect again. He deserves better than this.

I'm sure he would disagree being the company guy that he is, but that Mania match was an insult to him in my view. WWE doesn't understand that pushes need to be gradual. I have nothing against Fandango, but the very fact that he got a Mania match with Jericho after being on TV for roughly a month and not even competing just makes me want to hate him. And I don't mean hate him because he's a heel, but genuinely hate him

[the King]

Could some one explain me how the hell modern Wrestlemanias draw such huge crowds? I can understand that there are big differences between the capacites of different arenas (MSG is 20k max afaik), but WM is the biggest event of the year so one would assume that they try to make it as big as possible. Between WM 1 and 22, majority of WMs had an attendance of less than 20k. 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 17, 18 and 19 had between 40k and 93k. WM3 had a huge crowd (93k), but other than that before WM 23 biggest crowds were 67-68k. 23 and onwards all have had an attendance between 70k and 80k. How the hell do events with a lot less intresting matches and wrestlers draw 4 times bigger crowds?
Similarly Starrcades at the peak of WCW's popularity had relatively small crowds. 1996:9,030 1997:17500 1998: 16,066 (1995:8,200 1999: 8,582)

I am surprised at those numbers for Starcade although I will say I never thought of the event in the same way as Wrestlemania, but RAW and Nitro were selling out arena's of that size during that time period, so you would of thought the Sting/Hogan Starcade would of been in a bigger arena. I think some of it has to with WWE really being the only game in town. If you look the first time they went big again was after they bought out WCW. Plus I think now you have three generations of fans to draw from. People who grew up in the rock and wrestling era and then came back for the attitude era, people who grew up in the attitude era and beyond and then kids nowadays.