What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

[Jmustang1968]

Engineering world is different.

There is no way to meet the person you need to unless you attend a career fair or have met them previously at a work function. And when you do meet these people, they dont want you to hand them any paperwork. If they are interested they may pass their card to you for you to email them your resume.

That's what I was trying to convey.

F2F > digital

It's the 80/20 rule. If you can meet with someone you are much more likely to get an interview. Digital is static and you can't show your true personality with an email.

I guess if you are just a cog, so be it. But most HR dudes want to know a bit more about you than an online application and resume.

Im talking about other engineers. HR are resume sifters. The people I am talking about meeting are the engineering management or department managers. You get them to push you in for the interview. Each company is different though. My current company has light HR involvement. They dont hire anyone but just help facilitate. The one I just interviewed with was much more HR heavy.

[Ziggy]

Not that I have a lot of experience submitting resumes, but from my own experiences, one page is the way to go. It seems like most people don't want to read. My suggestion would be to make your resume like you normally would. If it's two pages, turn it into one without actually taking out any info. Some sentences get turned into bullet points and stuff like that. I didn't want to do it like that, but it seems like that's what people want. The last two-page resume I submitted, some info was just blatantly passed over. I know this for a fact because I had an inside man and word got back to me. It was crystal clear, no fluff, formatted perfectly. Some people just don't wanna read. Oh, and this WAS delivered electronically (emailed PDF). Bullet points, idiot proof, one page. That's the way to go.

[Jmustang1968]

Ive done the phone call thing where I will get numbers of dept managers and call them up and thus bypassing HR. That can be successful if it doesnt piss them off lol.

So yall know, typically if you social engineer someones phone number and call them directly and bypass HR, it wont get you the job. Granted I did get a parttime job at a security company by showing up at the guys desk in his secured facility during the middle of the day when we had a meeting and without him knowing I was in the building. I honestly did not mean to do it, I just walked in behind someone, the secretary did not say anything, and I found my way to his office.

Doing so got me a job at KBR during the recession. But we get phone numbers from colleagues who know or have worked with them before. I got very good results from it and received responses and dialog. Some didnt have openings, but were interested and I had a future contact. A few got maybe irritated or brushed me off to HR, but the positive response much outweighed the negative.

[Luke]

Im talking about other engineers.

Ah. Gotcha.

[Jmustang1968]

Yeah it is interesting how different it is between industries. Perhaps the engineering world prefers the longer resumes as it is a very technical job and they like to see what sorts of specific technical experience and expertise you have. Sales jobs are perhaps more general in the sense of just overall experience and you are selling yourself as a person/package instead of some technical skillset.

[fastbilly1]

Sounds like it. It is just very interesting to see the differences.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Concision is critical to the practice of law, and if an applicant for a position cannot condense his or her qualifications into a single page, I doubt his or her ability to write clearly and concisely. Attention to detail is also critical for legal work; so, typographical errors render a resumé for a legal job D.O.A.

[Stark]

Concision is critical to the practice of law, and if an applicant for a position cannot condense his or her qualifications into a single page, I doubt his or her ability to write clearly and concisely. Attention to detail is also critical for legal work; so, typographical errors are render a resumé for a legal job D.O.A.

You're fired.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Concision is critical to the practice of law, and if an applicant for a position cannot condense his or her qualifications into a single page, I doubt his or her ability to write clearly and concisely. Attention to detail is also critical for legal work; so, typographical errors are render a resumé for a legal job D.O.A.

You're fired.

You got me!

(I am so thankful that I do not have to proofread my posts as much as everything else I write!)

[Stark]

You got me!

I won't tell your employer, if you send me some of the beer in the Santa thread.