Most UNDER-RATED Console of all time...

[lordofduct]

From a business point of view why would they take chances?

Taking chances is what got them where they are today. Half the size they once were and now merged with Sammy. Sammy who also now plays a big role in decission making and is hardly known as a video game software producer. I'm not surprised they are playing it safe, they need to make a name for themselves. The catch 22 on this front is that the name they once had is the company who took chances...

But I mean come on, if you got paid to jump off higher and higher ledges until one day you ended up in the hospital and people stopped paying you to jump. You barely make it out the other side by cutting off your arms and one leg. And now people want you to jump off the ledge some more screaming, "if you do this and it's a cool enough jump, we MIGHT give you some money."

Would you jump off the same high ledges that landed you in the hospital in the first place?



Not to say this is a good choice by Sega to be what fans of Sega have come to love. Hence the catch 22... I wouldn't do it, I know that for a fact. Let me get some prosthetic legs first gosh darn it!

[Ack]

DUDE, people are jumping off of ledges?!?!? SIGN ME UP!

[artphotodude]

From a business point of view why would they take chances?

Taking chances is what got them where they are today. Half the size they once were and now merged with Sammy. Sammy who also now plays a big role in decission making and is hardly known as a video game software producer. I'm not surprised they are playing it safe, they need to make a name for themselves. The catch 22 on this front is that the name they once had is the company who took chances...

But I mean come on, if you got paid to jump off higher and higher ledges until one day you ended up in the hospital and people stopped paying you to jump. You barely make it out the other side by cutting off your arms and one leg. And now people want you to jump off the ledge some more screaming, "if you do this and it's a cool enough jump, we MIGHT give you some money."

Would you jump off the same high ledges that landed you in the hospital in the first place?



Not to say this is a good choice by Sega to be what fans of Sega have come to love. Hence the catch 22... I wouldn't do it, I know that for a fact. Let me get some prosthetic legs first gosh darn it!

If you are trying to get thousands (to perhaps millions) to through down $40+ down on the table - especially in hard times, you had better be offering something worth having. If all the games being made are 'safe' business choices, it becomes less and less feasible to make them at all. Innovation leads to profit. The pursuit of profit leads to loss.

[silverback]

The Saturn? Probably my most regretted purchase in my respectable console colection.

Frankly the Playstation is the superior gaming console.

I have got the supposed great Saturn games and can think of PS games which are way superior. My Saturn has the VCD card and so on, but its just, I don't want to say rubbish but...

The Saturn, I sat and tried, I mean really tried to love it, but I couldn't. The games were poor. The supposed fighting games which were amazing, I preffered SF2 on the SNES.

Not helped by the fact its an ugly bit of kit either.

Sega rally on the saturn, ridge racer on the PS not only was better but it absolutely battered it in terms of playability and visuals. Colin Mcrae which came later on the PS was not only a far better rally game again the graphics were a million times better.

The Dreamcast, what a machine. I am still to this day amazed at the thing. Visually its stunning games, fluid graphics, amazing sound and so on, it is astoundign it never defeated all before it. The PS2, even now some games still made can't touch some of the DC games, the Xbox, again like the PS2, microsoft basically used the DC as a base and screwed it up the dc is again a better machine.

The dreamcast is a sad tale of woe.

[GagaMan]

Sonic appears to be dragging his ragged shoes and dusty self back up hill...very gradually. If Sega were TRULY great...they never would have let the sonic games fall apart EVER.
People have a right to slag when it comes to Sega. Nintendo has always had everything under control. They've never slipped up, and have always delivered.

I hate this mentality about Nintendo, they're not perfect just like everyone else. When was the last good Starfox? What about Wii Music, did that deliver? Virtual Boy, anyone? If anyone is constantly consistent with the quality of their games, I'd say only Capcom are that good. Those guys rarely step a foot wrong.

Sega are obviously not as good as they once were, but neither are Namco or Konami or Square. They take just as few risks as Sega.

[artphotodude]

Sonic appears to be dragging his ragged shoes and dusty self back up hill...very gradually. If Sega were TRULY great...they never would have let the sonic games fall apart EVER.
People have a right to slag when it comes to Sega. Nintendo has always had everything under control. They've never slipped up, and have always delivered.

I hate this mentality about Nintendo, they're not perfect just like everyone else. When was the last good Starfox? What about Wii Music, did that deliver? Virtual Boy, anyone? If anyone is constantly consistent with the quality of their games, I'd say only Capcom are that good. Those guys rarely step a foot wrong.

Sega are obviously not as good as they once were, but neither are Namco or Konami or Square. They take just as few risks as Sega.

That is very true. While others like Sega, Nintendo, Hudson, Tecmo, Konami, id, ect. have had great titles, nothing beats Capcom on the average. It is a little annoying sometimes how much they rehash old stuff, but it sells because it is good stuff. When they do something new - it changes gaming.

[RemyC]

Sonic appears to be dragging his ragged shoes and dusty self back up hill...very gradually. If Sega were TRULY great...they never would have let the sonic games fall apart EVER.
People have a right to slag when it comes to Sega. Nintendo has always had everything under control. They've never slipped up, and have always delivered.

I hate this mentality about Nintendo, they're not perfect just like everyone else. When was the last good Starfox? What about Wii Music, did that deliver? Virtual Boy, anyone? If anyone is constantly consistent with the quality of their games, I'd say only Capcom are that good. Those guys rarely step a foot wrong.

Sega are obviously not as good as they once were, but neither are Namco or Konami or Square. They take just as few risks as Sega.

Im not trying to imply that Nintendo is perfect. What I was trying to say is their has never been a catastrophic, "Oh god! What have they done to link!?!?!" moment. Or something of the sort.
Sure the Starfox for gamecube wasnt what we wanted. I havent given it a real play through, but from what ive been told, it was decent game.
As for Wii-music...from a "real" gamers perspective its totally terrible, but it wasnt designed for us. Somewhere in some retirement community theirs a bunch of old folks having the time of their lives with this 'sorcery'.
Its hard to stay on top...and it sure is a long way down.

[GagaMan]

"Oh god! What have they done to link!?!?!"


(Not by Nintendo, but they let the franchise get treated like that..)

The Virtual Boy was pretty catastrophic if you ask me. They didn't even get around to releasing it in Europe it flopped so hard. To me that was just as big of a mistake that 32X was, except Nintendo knew it flopped hard before it had too big of an impact, whereas Sega let it their mistakes sink in too deep to repair. In that case Nintendo have been very smart, and that's why they've done so well for themselves, so good for them.

I guess with Wii Music not being for us you could also say the same for modern Sonic games: they're aimed at kids that like Shadow and silly things like that, I guess.

Capcom have the perfect balance of cashing in on old franchises but doing it well and creating new franchises that make just as much of an impact. Just about everyone else could learn a thing or two from them. Sega in comparison doesn't have much of it's original staff anymore so tends to outsource a lot of their franchises to outside studios which often leads to half baked releases like that awful Golden Axe game. They do still have some talent in Japan though, especially in their arcade and department and let's not forget Valkyrie Chronicles, plus they got the publishing rights to the ex-capcom studio now known as Platinum games, which was a very good decision IMO. Madworld and Bayonetta may be the kick in the back side Sega needs.

But back onto the subject of the Saturn: it's not a system for everyone, that I can agree on. Not everyone is going to like it especially if they're not big fans of Japanese games like shmups, RPGs and fighters. The Saturn is not so much underrated to me as it is a missed oppatunity: if only they had worked a little harder on it, released it a bit later with a better 3D chip they could have done so much better for themselves. For me the dreamcast is more of a loss as that system did so much right, but was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Ack]

What I was trying to say is their has never been a catastrophic, "Oh god! What have they done to link!?!?!" moment.

[GagaMan]

What I was trying to say is their has never been a catastrophic, "Oh god! What have they done to link!?!?!" moment.

What? That was the best thing to ever happen to the Zelda franchise, IMO. A beautiful game enough I've never really got on with 3D zelda games (never played any of them that far without getting bored, I like the 2D handheld ones better).