Super Mario 64

[Ack]

I hate to toot my own horn, but I rock at Mario 64. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that you are only playing it now. If you played that game when it first came out, you would REALLY know how great it is.

And about the controls, I think you're just bad at them. The controls for that game are great, you just have to know how to use them right. The camera is never a problem for me, although its an involuntary movement to adjust the camera (C buttons) as I'm playing the game, no matter what the circumstances are.

I'd like to upload a video of me playing the game, just so you can see how awesome you can control Mario, if you know what you're doing. Not saying that you suck or anything. I just don't think its fair to say, on a game that you just played for the first time, that the control of Mario and the camera are flawed.

You know, I'm seriously wondering how to reply to this. You're obviously insulting me, which I don't appreciate, and then you go on and talk about how great you are. I honestly don't know what to say. I am dumbfounded. I just can't understand the purpose of your post beyond attempting to provoke me into some kind of argument.

I mean, if you had wanted to actually discuss the game you could have said so. Your post could have been a "Well, I disagree. I've done great things with these controls. Here are a few techniques that might be helpful. Etc. Etc." But instead it comes down to a response like this:

"I'd like to upload a video of me playing the game, just so you can see how awesome you can control Mario, if you know what you're doing."

Yes, I'd say you are definitely "tooting your own horn." I am quite offended by the tone you take. And, if you haven't read it, I've admitted in another thread already that platformers really aren't my thing, and I've just made a note to generally avoid the genre.

So why the bitter response? What's the purpose? Are you trying to one up me? To show you are better than me in some way? I don't understand...nor do I really see the purpose. We've agreed in other threads on this forum, even had a few conversations that I thought were interesting and thought provoking. If I said something to offend you in some way in a different thread, you can rest assured I didn't mean to. So what is with this? Are you taking my early thoughts and my criticism on Super Mario 64 as a personal insult? Did I insult a favorite game of yours? If so, I'm sorry, I'm not leveling my criticism at you personally. I just happen to have some disagreements with the game.

Now if I did insult or offend you in some way with my complaints on the title, please, feel free to send me a private message and we'll straighten things out. I don't feel the need to argue irrationally over forums...I've wasted far too much of my life doing that already.

As for my criticism of the game however, I still stand by it. Perhaps if I were willing to spend as much time with it as you say you have, then I might gain a new level of respect for the title, but I'm just not interested enough in platformers in general to do that. Not all genres are for all people, and while there are some platformers I enjoy this one just wasn't one of them.

[Ziggy]

I really can't believe you took my post as offensive, that wasn't my intentions at all. I know tone of voice isn't present when you're reading my post, but if it was you'd know I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I'm sorry you took it that way.

Obviously you didn't get my point, which perhaps is my fault. From what you said in your first post, it just sounded like you're not too great at the controls for the game. By uploading a video, I just wanted you to see how smooth one can control Mario, as well as the camera angles, to know that its not a flaw in the game. And being that I have massive experience in that game, I am to control the game in this way. I KNOW that sounds like I'm saying "I'm great, you suck" that's why I said I hate to toot my own horn and also, "Not saying that you suck or anything. I just don't think its fair to say, on a game that you just played for the first time, that the control of Mario and the camera are flawed." I just assumed you would know I wasn't be insulting or anyting, since I haven't been in any of my other posts.

I'm not 12, I'm not gonna jump on the internet and tell you how much I hate you just cause you don't a game that I like. I'm sorry you thought I was coming off like an A hole, I really didn't mean to. Some times I have a hard time getting my point across on the internet.

And the point of the video, a text based description of how great one can control Mario and the camera just wouldn't do it. It would be hard to describe some of the things that are possible with out showing you, in a video.

[Ack]

It's all right, I'm sorry I misunderstood you. Part of the reason I was so shocked about it was, while I misread your tone as being overly malicious, I've never gotten that impression from any of your other posts. Hence a great deal of my being disturbed.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the video. As I stated earlier, I later came to the conclusion that platformers just weren't my thing and I'll generally just avoid them. I don't want you to have to go through the trouble of putting together any kind of tutorial for my benefit, though if you think it might help other people trying it out for the first time, I suppose it's a good idea.

Either way, don't worry about it. Hopefully we're cool, chief.

[Ziggy]

Yeah, we're cool. I was probably never going to get around to making that video any way There's so many things on my 'to do' list.

Ironically, I'm not the biggest fan of 3rd person games in general. I usually find that the controls and camera angles are very annoying. 3D Mario games, however, I never had a problem with. Very few games I make an exception for.

[jackspicer]

I know I for one hate all Final Fantasy games, too slow and repetitive

wow! i thought i was the only one who hated FF. man did i takes hits on that one from my friends, but i just couldnt get into them, personally i thought the super mario sunshine and paper mario 1000 year door were my fav mario games (oh yeah cant forget mario 3).

Have you played any of the ff games through? I know they can be slow and repetitive but most of them have a great story to tell, ff6 is my favorite, and i know its hard dealing with all the leveling up

[Ziggy]

Well I mean, any type of RPG has leveling up which is VERY slow and repetitive, it's not just exclusive to FF games. The Final Fantasy games that I like, I am a big fan of. But there are Final Fantasy games that I cannot stand. FF2 (the real two, not USA SNES 2) and FFX are two of my least favorite RPG games, and not just Final Fantasy games.

[ZeroAX]

and about the control scheme. yeah even a plane is easy to fly once you know the controls inside out. that doesn't make it any easier to master them . though Ack do try mario galaxy if you can. It's just so much better (even if platformers aren't your thing). or you can try out the girlfriend/friend mode (aka you being the second player who uses the wiimote to pick up stars and stop enemies and someone else plays the main game)

[Pingfa]

Personally, I don't believe I've ever played a 3D Platformer that I didn't take issue with regarding the camera.

Much prefer my platformers in 2D, myself.

[Ziggy]

Ack do try mario galaxy if you can. It's just so much better (even if platformers aren't your thing).

It's hard for me to say which one's better (64 or Galaxy) but Galaxy IS a damn good game.

or you can try out the girlfriend/friend mode (aka you being the second player who uses the wiimote to pick up stars and stop enemies and someone else plays the main game)

Haha, that second player option sucks . I couldn't imagine having much fun being the second player. Still, a very good game. Some of the Wii's best graphics. And I like how it brought back old elements/music in a sort of nostalgic kind of way.

While the game had some very difficult challenges, I don't think it was nearly as hard as some of the later stars in 64.

[ZeroAX]

Haha, that second player option sucks . I couldn't imagine having much fun being the second player.

My girlfriend loved it. She didn't like playing as Mario at all but she'd get mad if I collected any of the star bits by myself. That's why it felt kind of strange when I played it alone cause I actually had to point at the screen.