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MyNameIsVince wrote:Wait, not all DS Lites have the same screen quality?
No, they absolutely do not. I've compared multiple units simultaneously and proved this to myself after reading about it. At one point I had all of the following models of DS Lites turned on and laid out on a table next to each other, running the same software demos and menus and such, compared screens for about an hour. Yes I am a DS Lite nut and I owned way too many of these things at one time:

Original Polar White
Two original Onyx Blacks
Silver model
Two Crimson & Blacks
Two Cobalt & Blacks

The original Polar & Onyx models had very rich colors, but their backlights were not as bright as later models. These original models had a LOT of motion blur though, especially in dark areas of games. The motion blur sucks with fast action games. And the original models are prone to hinge cracking too.

The Silver model didn't have as much motion blur, but its colors were a bit more muted, and it had a slightly yellow tint to the bottom screen. It seemed to be the halfway point between the originals and the Crimson.

The Crimson & Blacks were the WORST by far. They had muted colors, washed out contrast, slightly yellow tint to the top screen, and VERY yellow tint to the bottom screen. However they were pretty good about not having motion blur. Also the Crimsons had issues with the d-pad getting stuck, and the volume slider coming loose. Both models had these issues.

The Cobalt & Blacks are GORGEOUS. Strong colors, BRIGHT backlight, great contrast, hardly any motion blur even on dark games, the graphics just pop on both those Cobalts. The hinges are still uncracked to this day.

I did a bunch of research after that and found out that DS Lites' screens were not all manufactured by the same company. (Not all DS Lites were assembled from the same OEM components for that matter.) Rather various companies produced the screens/components and various models got those screens/components. Nintendo knew full well that the Crimson & Black DS Lites were subpar and they did the best they could to liquidate them quickly. That's why the Crimson & Black DS Lite had not one, but two different bundles available (Brain Age 2 / New Super Mario Bros.) to help move it off shelves.

This is all anecdotal and I'm too tired to pull sources. But take it from a guy who's owned a shit load of DS Lites... you want a Cobalt & Black.

Wow, that's dedication. Or insanity. Or both.

I never owned a DS Lite, but my younger brothers do. My brother Trevor originally had a polar white one, and my brother Phil had an onyx one. Trevor's white DS Lite did have broken hinges after heavy use, so he did get a replacement, which was a silver one. Phil still has his original onyx one. If neither one takes their DS Lite when they move to Arizona for college next week, I'll have to check the differences of the screens.

I do remember the Colbalt/Black and Crimson/Black versions coming out later but I am surprised that both are different in terms of screen quality. Build quality I would not be surprised, compared to earlier models. I remember trying one of the newer ones in a store one time, and was thrown off by the matte finish on the bottom as opposed to the smoother plastic finish on the older models. Not that it's bad, just different.

If I were to get a DS Lite, even if I didn't read your post and hear about the differences in screen and build quality, I would have probably gotten a Cobalt/Black one, or one of the weirder variants (like the ice blue brain age one, or the all red one that included NSMB).
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Kkasino wrote:Can you compare Cobalt & Blacks DSL with DSi ? In terms of screen quality.
I do not own a regular DSi. So I can't compare it to the screens of the other DS Lites I have. I did own a Bronze DSi XL for a bit, but I sold it because the PPI ratio was horrendous.
MyNameIsVince wrote:Wow, that's dedication. Or insanity. Or both.
Let's just say I was insanely dedicated to the DS Lite.

I tried to dig up sources on this stuff. It was a few years ago when this debacle was going on, so I'm having a hard time finding the stuff I read back then. I did manage to find these few links though...

Here's a link talking about the yellow bottom screens that started showing up on the Crimson models: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/18/is-yo ... en-yellow/

Here's a very interesting link on NeoGAF where the guys were talking about how bad the Crimsons were, and a few guys mention how good the Cobalts are:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184199
It's worth reading all the pages because some of those guys definitely knew what was up.

In this page a guy mentions that he noticed the original DS Lites and the Cobalts have different screens: http://gbatemp.net/threads/ds-lite-is-t ... ow.337128/
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Todderbert wrote:My onyx lite has the warm yellow tinted screen, while my wife's cobalt has a nice sharp cool-white bottom screen. After playing both I actually prefer the warmer screen, the colors are more saturated.
I think he thought the colors were more saturated due to the original DS Lites LED backlights not being as bright as the Cobalt's one. Less backlight means the colors look richer, but you can compensate by simply setting the Cobalt's backlight down one notch honestly. Both my original Polar/Onyx models had way more motion blur than the Cobalts did. Playing MegaMan ZX Advent on the two different models was night and day.
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Heres a review i found on Amazon. Any chance written by anyone here?

I was so excited to received the new Crimson & Black DS Lite. I even sold my Onyx one. When I started using it, I noticed right away that the screen quality was different. When you tilted it forward or back, visibility would be far worse. This was not a problem with the previous models. I wondered if it was just in my head, so I did a search online and found articles reporting this same exact problem.

As it turns out, Nintendo did purchase cheaper LCD screens for their new models. These screens are considerably worse than the Onyx and other color models and led me to returning this product.
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Kkasino wrote:Can you compare Cobalt & Blacks DSL with DSi ? In terms of screen quality.
I do not own a regular DSi. So I can't compare it to the screens of the other DS Lites I have. I did own a Bronze DSi XL for a bit, but I sold it because the PPI ratio was horrendous.
My girlfriend used to have a black PAL DSLite, and compared to my black launch model PAL DSi it was notably darker and, imo, had a tiny bit of motion blur which I just don't notice on my DSi.

In my opinion, the DSi is the best way to play DS games. The screens are crisper and brighter than the other DS models and much brighter and less blurry than the 3DS (or much larger if you play on 3DS in original resolution). I can't talk for the DSi XL as I've barely played one, but it seems to be about whether you mind the low PPI in that case, as the screens seem just as bright and crisp from what I've seen.

If you want to play GBA games too, I'd just spend some more money on one of the many ways to play GBA in addition to getting a DSi. Probably the SP 101.
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bacardipr05 wrote:Heres a review i found on Amazon. Any chance written by anyone here?
No idea who wrote that review but it's par for the course about the Crimson.

For the folks talking about the DSi: I don't think the DSi is a good fit for OP because it does not have a GBA slot. OP having a DS Lite means he can play all the DS and GBA Pokemon games with only one device.
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Of course i ordered the Cobalt one and got the Onyx model apparently. I must admit its in mint condition. Now im debating if its worth the hassle to return. Im awaiting for the sellers response.
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I just re-compared my Onyx with one of my Cobalts. The Onyx has very rich colors, slightly more saturated than the Cobalt, but it has a LOT more motion blur. It also seems to have a slightly bluish tint when showing a white screen, which the Cobalt doesn't have. Lastly it's about 10% less bright than the Cobalt on the same brightness setting. The Onyx doesn't look all that bad though honestly, it's not outright terrible like the Crimsons are.

All the same if you bought a Cobalt and were shipped an Onyx, that sounds like fraud or at least incompetence on the seller's behalf. If it were me I wouldn't stand for it.
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Exhuminator wrote:I just re-compared my Onyx with one of my Cobalts. The Onyx has very rich colors, slightly more saturated than the Cobalt, but it has a LOT more motion blur. It also seems to have a slightly bluish tint when showing a white screen, which the Cobalt doesn't have. Lastly it's about 10% less bright than the Cobalt on the same brightness setting. The Onyx doesn't look all that bad though honestly, it's not outright terrible like the Crimsons are.

All the same if you bought a Cobalt and were shipped an Onyx, that sounds like fraud or at least incompetence on the seller's behalf. If it were me I wouldn't stand for it.
Thanks for responding i was hoping you would. Well when i first purchased it the Tracking # didnt bring anything up ( usually means label was printed but item not shipped). I waited 3 days and contacted the buyer who said this sometimes this happens give it another 2 days. :wink: Of course the next day the tracking info shows. Im no expert this is my first time actually touching a DS but from my examination its mint condition. No scratches/blemishes on the case or on any of the screens. The film is actually on the screen. So i would hate to return it and with my luck get a beat up one instead... Now i have to get use to the tiny buttons on it. Ive only loaded Pokemon Fire Red to verify that it works and so far so good.
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When I switched from the GBA (original) to the DS Lite the small buttons threw me off too, but I got used pretty fast.

Funny, that is what happened too when I got into the highest difficulty in Ouendan / Elite Beat agents (the targets get smaller but after a bit I didn't notice while playing).
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bacardipr05 wrote:actually touching a DS but from my examination its mint condition
If you got an actual mint condition used DS Lite off the internet that's pretty amazing really.

One thing I've always done with my DS Lites is used Hori screen protectors. They are the best at what they do. If you want some, you can still buy them here. As long as you buy from a fulfilled-by-Amazon retailer you'll be okay. People leaving negative reviews bought knock offs from non-Amazon fulfilled sellers.

If you find the DS Lite to be too small for your hands, and it causes cramps, I recommend using one of these. I have pretty wide hands and this thing was a godsend for me.

Hope you have fun playing Pokemon on the best handheld ever. :P
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