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RoosterSamurai wrote:I'm sorry, then. I feel bad for you if you can't see the difference. But I'm happy for you, that you can find more joy in the new pokemon games than you can in the old ones. I can't fault you for that, but I will never agree with what you are saying.

I feel sorry for you that my opinion bothers you that much. Hell, I even said earlier in this thread that my favourite Pokémon games were Gen 2, not that you seem to care. I just feel myself that if the first batch of Pokémon had been released as the 5th, people would be saying the same stuff they say every single Generation. I remember people saying how ugly the Gold and Silver batch were way back when

alienjesus wrote:

RoosterSamurai wrote:I'm sorry, then. I feel bad for you if you can't see the difference. But I'm happy for you, that you can find more joy in the new pokemon games than you can in the old ones. I can't fault you for that, but I will never agree with what you are saying.

I feel sorry for you that my opinion bothers you that much. Hell, I even said earlier in this thread that my favourite Pokémon games were Gen 2, not that you seem to care. I just feel myself that if the first batch of Pokémon had been released as the 5th, people would be saying the same stuff they say every single Generation. I remember people saying how ugly the Gold and Silver batch were way back when

I don't remember anyone complaining about Gold and Silver back when they were released. The only complaint I have about them is their use of a clock feature with a battery back-up system.

I feel sorry for you both, as neither of you have mentioned that Vanillish is the one of only three Pokemon (with Vanillite and Vanilluxe) you can lick without suffering some form of incarceration.

Balasubbie wrote:I feel sorry for you both, as neither of you have mentioned that Vanillish is the one of only three Pokemon (with Vanillite and Vanilluxe) you can lick without suffering some form of incarceration.

I feel sorry for me too. How could I have not made that connection?

'Cause you're a repressed Gen-5 fan...................

lisalover1 wrote:I love the nostalgia and simplicity of Gen 1, but statistically, Gen 2 really is better, as it essentially let you play all of the new game, plus the old game as a bonus.

I enjoyed generation 2, but I think gen 2 had by far the worst 3 starters imo.

Generation 1 wins on the grounds that it brought us Raichu.

Anyone who thinks Chandelure is a badly designed pokemon can go fuck himself, I love that guy

Gen I had as many bad designs as later iterations, mainly because many of the uninspired designs you mention are directly taken from the Gen I template. Voltorb line, Pidgey line, Spearow line, Persian, Jynx, Mr Mime, Seel line, Wigglytuff and variants, Ponyta line, Farfetch'd and the Goldeen line to mention a few are bland designs that have been copied over and over and to claim that Gen I was somehow better is just showing ignorance.

Hell, the new gen clones of the above are better designed.

Gen 1 has the best, least retarded pokemon. Even the dumbest looking ones look great compared to the vast majority of what came later. The game was better balanced (every game since had at least one big "dead zone" that was just a pain in the ass to grind through), and there isn't a single team made up of originals that couldn't beat any team from later generations.

someone3760 wrote:I dare you pokemon fans to watch the original theme song and not feel something at your eye.

One of my friends and I will occasionally break into this song; the more public the place we're singing in, the more energy we put in to it.

EDIT: Actually... multiple friends, lol

alienjesus wrote:I always question how someone can think that a ghost chandelier isn't creative but can think that a Seal pokémon named Seel is.

I definitely understand the argument that the addition of Kanto in Gold/Silver was lacking in scope. There wasn't a lot to do there, huge areas had been eliminated for simplicity's sake (Veridian Forest ), and so on. What I loved about it, though, was that it gave me a post-storyline adventure that was different and exciting. One of my biggest problems with the pokémon games is that, after the plot is over, I'm not compelled to continue. I desperately want a reason to go on enthusiastically raising my pokémon, prolonging my involvement with the game's universe -- but nothing excites me about tromping over the same continent, which is then sans cutscenes or interesting encounters, just to level grind or catch 'em all. That, and I have never been interested in any incarnation of the Battle Tower. The battling alone is not what I'm in the game for -- I need some interesting goal or purpose guiding me through it all.

Gold/Silver gave me a continued adventure, albeit a short one. Based on that standard I was sure that Diamond/Pearl was going to give me something big after the credits rolled, but all I get is a boatride to a dinky island for catching earlier generation pokémon, re-battling gym leaders, and decorating a villa. That's not to say that re-battling the gym leaders in a moody café isn't compelling in some way, but it's just not enough. And considering how much more can be packed into a DS cartridge versus an original Game Boy one, I was seriously shocked by the lack of extra areas. I was fewer mini-games and more story.

I do not like White and Black, but that's because I don't like the feel of it. It didn't feel like pokémon to me, but I understand that that's totally subjective. Other people I've talked to love the darker themes, moodier colors, and quasi-3D graphics. The games definitely have style. It's just not the style for me. Of all of those factors, I especially hate the direction the graphics are going in. But I also personally felt that the "complex" story was muddled and didn't achieve what it could have. It tried to seem less like a standard tale of good versus evil, but it didn't succeed. The bad guys were still the bad guys, it's still an ultimate truth that pokémon want masters, and all that. With all the hype behind it I was expecting the game to drop some serious philosophy. It would have been way cooler if