How is the quality of last gen gaming on an 1080p LCD?

Post by **Mozgus** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:50 pm

racketboy wrote:
Mozgus wrote:Racket, have you used your PC on your's? Hows the quality? I mostly want wide screen for the advantage in FPS games, primarily TF2.
Yes, I have a media center PC hooked up to it. My video card has a breakout box for a lot of TV-out options.
I use component and while it's not perfectly pristine, it's not too bad. By that I mean that it's not as good as hooking it up to a real PC monitor for stuff with small text (like browsing on Firefox), but quite good for TV stuff.

My TV doesn't have VGA or DVI, but has one HDMI port. I tried a DVI-to-HDMI cable a while back and it didn't seem to work. I didn't tinker with it much though as I already had the component out.

I was considering going with the dvi to hdmi cable from newegg. It didn't work at all? No display? You sure your card's dvi port was enabled? If you boot up the machine using the vga or tv output on a video card the un-used outputs will remain disabled unless given a command from the control panel to enable, or you reboot with the outputs connected to something.

Post by **racketboy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:01 pm

Mozgus wrote:
racketboy wrote:
Mozgus wrote:Racket, have you used your PC on your's? Hows the quality? I mostly want wide screen for the advantage in FPS games, primarily TF2.
Yes, I have a media center PC hooked up to it. My video card has a breakout box for a lot of TV-out options.
I use component and while it's not perfectly pristine, it's not too bad. By that I mean that it's not as good as hooking it up to a real PC monitor for stuff with small text (like browsing on Firefox), but quite good for TV stuff.

My TV doesn't have VGA or DVI, but has one HDMI port. I tried a DVI-to-HDMI cable a while back and it didn't seem to work. I didn't tinker with it much though as I already had the component out.
I was considering going with the dvi to hdmi cable from newegg. It didn't work at all? No display? You sure your card's dvi port was enabled? If you boot up the machine using the vga or tv output on a video card the un-used outputs will remain disabled unless given a command from the control panel to enable, or you reboot with the outputs connected to something.

Like I said, I didn't tinker with it much. I just plugged it in once to see if it worked. I've been meaning to try it out again...

Post by **Droid party** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:53 pm

Mozgus wrote:
Droid party wrote:And Mozgus, he did say last gen. PS2, Xbox and most certainly DC qualify as last gen.
Sure, after he edited it. He called it old school before you got here.

Had no idea. Sorry Moz.

Post by **Metalcrack** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:32 pm

PS2 - I was disappointed with the PS2. 3D games were quite jaggy and hardly any widescreen support. I tried using God of War, so it wasn't a game with bad graphics. 2D games looked pretty good. Used official component cables, and tried s-video (not recommended).

XBox - Most games look great, with many having 480p resolution and 16:9 format. Some pixelation on larger sets, but that is due to it being SD. The Xbox has some 720p games, which look amazing (Soul Caliber 2, although only in 4:3 aspect, and Syberia). Used official type 2 and Psyclone component cables.

GC - Graphics are impressive as Xbox, take Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness for example. Although many games have progressive scan/16:9 aspect, many AAA titles do not support progressive scan (RE 0-4, Killer 7). Used official component cables.

Dreamcast - Take a look at Sonic Adventures, Soul Caliber, and Gut's Rage and you'll see the Dreamcast had very impressive graphics, and IMO some games made PS2 look 64-bit. 3-D games appear cleaner and crisper while games on the PS2 looked washed out and jaggy. Used VGA box and necessary cables.

These are my impressions on a 52" 720p JVC rear projection tv.

Post by **pixelbender** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:19 am

racketboy wrote:
pixelbender wrote:You guys are making me miss my 30" 1080i CRT HDTV....
Why'd you get rid of it?

The sound on it needed fixing, it hissed a little bit, and it was out of warranty. That 1080i picture when hooked up to a 360 or PS3 was AMAZING!

I also sold it and the 61" DLP I got in a Bag-of-Crap from Woot so that I wouldn't have to move them 4 hours away when I moved.

Post by **ramzeva** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:00 pm

Thanks for the replies, I currently own a 34" Sony HDTV Widescreen CRT and am upgrading to a 42" LCD on the day after thanksgiving which is in a couple of days. I have the choice of 720p or 1080p for around the same price so its tough to choose because I still love my PS2, xbox and dreamcast. I realize most games that run in 480p will have jaggies at 1080p or even 720p but aslong as the colors are crisp and sharp I would be ok with it. I read somewhere else that PS2 looks washed out with an 1080p TV so I was wondering if anyone else noticed this.

Post by **lordofduct** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:10 pm

I personally like DLP, but those slim fit CRTs are very nice.

As for the OP, XBOX supports 720p and 1080i, it looks just fine on my 1080p TV.
The PS2 on the other hand doesn't support those. I don't play the PS2 a lot, but the colours don't seem that washed out to me. I do use component cables though.

Dreamcast on the other hand still looks just as good as it used to in my opinion even with the S-Vid. I now use VGA for my DC, and that just looks freakin' amazing!

On my TV I really don't notice any crappy picture until you go back to Sega Genesis or NES. And even then there are ways to improve it.

On my older HDTV I did notice some kinda washed out colours with certain consoles (like the PS2)... but I don't think it was HDTVs fault, but more the TV itself causing it. You should find something with some vibrant colour capabilities, mess with the settings some with it, and also make sure if you have a LCD that the analog to digital converter isn't a piece of crap, that thing their will induce so many problems for your older consoles.

Post by **ramzeva** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:45 pm

Thanks for the information, I also use component connection for PS2 and Xbox and VGA for my Dreamcast, then again I may not be able to select 4:3 aspect while using VGA mode which would suck. I guess ill bite the bullet and go for 1080p, even though I dont own a single 1080p device.. a TV lasts years and years and things could change.

Post by **Metalcrack** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:08 pm

I just got in my Saturn s-video cable, and I'll let you folks know how it looks soon.

Post by **gradualmeltdown** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:41 am

CRT is the best option simply because it will not have to scale the images. Generally upscaling isn't as destructive as downscaling but it can cause extremely minor motion jutter (jaggies) and color tearing. Whatever LCD,DLP, or plasma you buy will likely have a native resolution of 1080P. As long as you can set the aspect ratio properly I bet you will see very little difference.

I roll a 720p DLP projector and a 1080i 30" CRT. I play games on whichever display I feel suits them best.