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sabrage wrote:"I'm from the deep South, let's sell AA-15's in densely populated urban areas"

Yeah, I'm done here.
I like how you totally changed what I said and didn't pay any attention to any of my arguments, but instead made a statement based on your own sense of ideological superiority. I also like how you screwed up the name of the firearm and made previous statements using language that is laughable to people that are knowledgeable of firearms, making me suspect you don't have any real knowledge about firearms but have formed an opinion based on what you've seen in the movies or in the news.

If you can't actually debate or discuss, don't join the argument. You insult the people who actually have things to say.
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Duane Dibbley wrote:Really? You want to open this can of beans?

I'll just say that I've known some good people who've died because of guns, and having a gun in the house makes it far more likely that a child will be injured or killed by it. Why work out our problems with each other when we can let guns do the talking?
Right, because guns are responsible for every war and conflict in history. Every murder, too.
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MrPopo wrote:
Duane Dibbley wrote:Really? You want to open this can of beans?

I'll just say that I've known some good people who've died because of guns, and having a gun in the house makes it far more likely that a child will be injured or killed by it. Why work out our problems with each other when we can let guns do the talking?
Right, because guns are responsible for every war and conflict in history. Every murder, too.
Admittedly though, he is correct in that accidents do happen, and as someone who is in favor of the populace owning firearms, I must acknowledge that accidents happen and innocent people, including children, can be shot. Duane, I'm sorry for your loss. I have only known one friend who died due to a firearm, but in his case it was a conscious choice to take his own life brought on by untreated depression.
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Stricter policies in licensing and training. For both guns and cars. That is all.
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All for more training. Getting in the car is one of the most dangerous things to do!
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Jrecee wrote:Stricter policies in licensing and training. For both guns and cars. That is all.
No shit. I get more worked up about the way people drive after 10 minutes on the road than I ever have about gun control.

Yeah, Joe Shmoe should not have access to military grade assault weapons without permits, documentation, and training, but you can't just make these items unexist, or ban their manufacture. This is America. I should be able to build a fucking nuclear reactor in my backyard as long as the proper paperwork and certifications are in order.
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My point was, and always will be, that the kind of weaponry used in this morning's attacks should not be in the hands of civilians (the fact that they're manufactured at all is abhorrent, but that's a different matter). You're the one using rural sensibilities to justify them on a nation-wide level; it makes no difference to me if the hicks don't get them either. If you want to point out where I said otherwise, feel free. (And no, I don't share any country-ass masturbatory gun obsession. Not really a point of shame.)
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This debate with Americans always makes me laugh/cry.

Also this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate
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Well we have really strict gun laws, as far as I am aware no pistols of any kind are allowed any more. This kind of annoys the marksmen out there, and does nothing to deter the people that get hold of their guns illegally anyway.

But the fact is that we rarely see the levels or random violence seen at the Batman screening. Sure we still have murderers and hate crimes, but we rarely have the kind of attacks on random passers by that are seen in America. Personally I think that restricting the availability of guns can only help. Criminals will still be able to get them, but with less guns around it will be harder.
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Curlypaul wrote:Well we have really strict gun laws, as far as I am aware no pistols of any kind are allowed any more. This kind of annoys the marksmen out there, and does nothing to deter the people that get hold of their guns illegally anyway.

But the fact is that we rarely see the levels or random violence seen at the Batman screening. Sure we still have murderers and hate crimes, but we rarely have the kind of attacks on random passers by that are seen in America. Personally I think that restricting the availability of guns can only help. Criminals will still be able to get them, but with less guns around it will be harder.
Can you imagine the London riots if you guys had guns?

I don't want to imagine what Athens would be like right now if we had guns like the Americans. I really believe that when social unrest appears in the states it will be impossible to contain it without it getting very VERY messy.
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