Zelda isnt an rpg? (Its a dungeon crawler isnt it?)
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
I voted for the mixture option. It mashes elements of an RPG, action-game, and fantasy all together into one. And even throws in a healthy amount of puzzles.
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
Yes, you're correct. I don't know why I said it was an adventure game. I think I was thinking of something else.Jmustang1968 wrote:Except baldur's gate isn't an adventure game...
BoneSnapDeez, genres for video games have grown and evolved since then. But, generally, any game that is about the adventure as the gameplay, and not necessarily focused on action or something like that could be argued to be "Adventure". I think the genre is mostly gone now, sadly.
I think arguing RPG name at face value is unfair, it's a very old term, but it has always been used very specifically to define a game in which your main objective is player progression and you do that by taking the role of the player. The link between the table top incarnation of this idea and the video game incarnation loses some of this ... for instance ... almost every game has you taking on someone's role (However, it is NEVER in the same form as the table top games, in D&D, for example you ARE that character, in video games, even RPGs, you are just a player behind an avatar) So, this, so far, hasn't translated into video games, but it's a result of the medium difference. The core, more important aspect, of character progression is what's there, so that is a better fit.
And what would you call it anyway? It's not like video-game exclusive genre names are very clever, they usually just turn whatever you do into the genre name. (Shooter, Fighter, Platformer, etc) I suppose if RPGs had a video game genre name it'd be like Leveler or something silly like that.
Another stigma I've noticed is ... people tend to label a franchise as some genre or another, which doesn't make a lot of sense. So, they'll assume just because it's part of Final Fantasy, for example, it's an RPG, which is defiantly not always the case.
I think a Zelda game where you have more complex interactions with characters would be really interesting. Sort of makes the world branch out in various ways while not drastically altering all outcomes.
Also, just to be clear ... I don't think all the Zelda games even have a "fantasy" theme. Unless you argue "fantasy" means there's a sword. (Discussing the Tolkien influence and complete and utter standardization of the fantasy genre is an entirely different matter) <~ This is why I haven't selected an option in the poll
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
I officially declare the United States Marine Corps to be fantasy themed.Cronozilla wrote:Also, just to be clear ... I don't think all the Zelda games even have a "fantasy" theme. Unless you argue "fantasy" means there's a sword. (Discussing the Tolkien influence and complete and utter standardization of the fantasy genre is an entirely different matter) <~ This is why I haven't selected an option in the pollJmustang1968 wrote:Except baldur's gate isn't an adventure game...
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
Zelda has more than just a sword. There's magic, fairies, undead creatures, mages, goblins (okay, "moblins"), and all kinds of other mystical creatures and mystical objects/weapons. Zelda definitely takes place in a fantasy universe, there's no doubt about that. And who says it has to follow Tolkien to qualify as fantasy?Cronozilla wrote:Also, just to be clear ... I don't think all the Zelda games even have a "fantasy" theme. Unless you argue "fantasy" means there's a sword. (Discussing the Tolkien influence and complete and utter standardization of the fantasy genre is an entirely different matter) <~ This is why I haven't selected an option in the poll
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
^Action-adventure.
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda
The Legend of Zelda (ゼルダの伝説 Zeruda no Densetsu?), occasionally called Legend of Zelda[1][2][3] or simply Zelda, is a high fantasy action-adventure video game
Zelda II is the only Zelda game that is classified as action-RPG rather than action-adventure in wikipedia
The Legend of Zelda (ゼルダの伝説 Zeruda no Densetsu?), occasionally called Legend of Zelda[1][2][3] or simply Zelda, is a high fantasy action-adventure video game
Zelda II is the only Zelda game that is classified as action-RPG rather than action-adventure in wikipedia
Action-adventure is not the same thing as point-and-click adventure and graphic/puzzle adventure (Myst, 7th guest, D etc).Cronozilla wrote:I wouldn't argue "adventure" game either, because Adventure games are more akin to things like Monkey Island and Balder's Gate ... even D (though not D2)
I would argue Adventure should be in there somewhere, largely due to the different styles of gameplay in the game. But Action is the primary focus of the game. It's the fundamental thing you do.
I think people ignore old-style adventure games because they're not on their radar so much.
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
While I believe that the ancient idiom of what is an RPG game is outdated, what truly defines the classic definition is that of anything derived from the old pen and paper games. HP/XP/class/various parameters that define you're character's ability, capacity, and potential clearly illustrates RPG qualities. Having a sword does not make it an RPG. Likewise, gaining health and/or items are now staples of gaming in general. That does not define a game as an RPG. The Elder Scrolls series is a classic example of an RPG whereas using similar vague descriptors does not make DOOM an RPG (unless you speak of DOOM RPG). Likewise, it is an adventure game, not a platformer. Link retains his items and is given the option to freely explore (and reexplore) his environs while initiating new goals and learning new powers. He does not gain XP, leveling attributes, or statii modifiers.
Truly, if one were to consider a broad terminology of what is an RPG, then every game is an RPG. You assume a role and explore a world that you wouldn't really be able to enter. Thus regardless of genre, you can safely assume that even the happy blinky mouse cursor of Mine Sweeper, is indeed your soldier charged with the task of uncovering mines planted by the enemy faction. See a "role" if you will....
Truly, if one were to consider a broad terminology of what is an RPG, then every game is an RPG. You assume a role and explore a world that you wouldn't really be able to enter. Thus regardless of genre, you can safely assume that even the happy blinky mouse cursor of Mine Sweeper, is indeed your soldier charged with the task of uncovering mines planted by the enemy faction. See a "role" if you will....
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
I kind of wish someone would make a Zelda rpg, spanning across all time periods and characters, including multiple Links, a really in depth story introducing various new characters, and a battle to save reality. FULLY VOICED with a huge budget. Hell, maybe they could scrap turn based combat and go with something real time to keep to Zelda's roots. Something sort of like Kingdom Hearts maybe, or a nice real time/turn based fusion the likes of Final Fantasy XIII.
A game from Nintendo and Square, the biggest collaboration of all time.
A game from Nintendo and Square, the biggest collaboration of all time.
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
Gamerforlife wrote: A game from Nintendo and Square, the biggest collaboration of all time.
Seriously though, I wouldn't mind a KH-esque RPG set in the various Nintendo worlds, including Zelda.
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Re: Zelda isnt an rpg?
That game right there proves that it would be awesome. It worked for MarioAppleQueso wrote:Gamerforlife wrote: A game from Nintendo and Square, the biggest collaboration of all time.
Seriously though, I wouldn't mind a KH-esque RPG set in the various Nintendo worlds, including Zelda.
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