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Frizz.Meister wrote:ok checked out widescreen gaming and after about 20minutes of staring at pretty pictures actually did some research to discover that ATI Eyefinity is pretty much all they will use because it is the best.

So of course i looked up some cards and well the prices vary hugely but i discovered the ATI 5750 which can run really modern games at full settings and so will easily handle my stuff and allow for triple head for some FPS action so long as i dont expect max settings. However its not cheap so HSBC might have to take one for the team.
The 5770 is a better card for a tiny fraction more. The 5750 is £95, the 5770 is £100. No brainer.

You haven't mentioned how much this pre-built is going to cost you. I'm suspecting it's massively overpriced. All those components come to £360, not including the OS since they're an OEM and get MASSIVE discounts on OEM licences for Windows. If you're a student or know somebody with a student email address you can get Windows 7 Pro x64 for £35. I'm assuming the PSU is a piece of shit since they always are from OEM vendors unless they state exactly what the PSU is, that case is probably just a generic case that they can get in large quantities for cheap (i've factored this into my estimation). So if you're paying more than £400 for it, you're getting ripped off.

Building systems from scratch is NOT hard. Seriously. It's fucking child's play. All the parts are designed so that they only fit one way. You shouldn't have to use excessive force to get a component to fit together. If it doesn't go in, it means you've got the wrong component or you're putting it in backwards. If you're scared of static, get an anti-static mat from ebay for £10. Or if you've got some spare copper, wrap that round your wrist and stick it in the earth pin on your nearest socket, or wrap it round the copper piping on a radiator. Just do a little bit of research and you're golden.

If you don't know what components to buy. Buy this: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers ... ary-2011/2 That's a good enough machine for what you want to do for £425.

What you have to understand is that if you want to do triplehead 3D, you're going to need some serious horsepower. Even for old games. Just forget about doing triplehead on even 3-4 year old games. Unless you've got an eyefinity AND another card in crossfire you're going to be looking at 25FPS max at low quality on even a GTX460. To paraphrase Mr. Popo "resolution is a squared problem". Meaning the higher the resolution (since you're increasing the horizontal resolution massively by adding two more screens) the power required for fill rate raises exponentially.
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The components seriously only come to £360!

I feel like a dunce the place i was considering getting it done was going to charge over £600, hell if its that much cheaper and stupidly easy to do im building it myself peice by piece and getting waaay better innards. Yeah im a student and know about gettng windows 7-64bit for half price but i've no idea where/how i have an NUS card and all of that so i dont imagine its to hard to find.

This is why i come to racketboy forums. People who know what they're talking about and can offer great advise. Im off to find a cheaper place to buy components.
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Frizz.Meister wrote:The components seriously only come to £360!

I feel like a dunce the place i was considering getting it done was going to charge over £600, hell if its that much cheaper and stupidly easy to do im building it myself peice by piece and getting waaay better innards. Yeah im a student and know about gettng windows 7-64bit for half price but i've no idea where/how i have an NUS card and all of that so i dont imagine its to hard to find.

This is why i come to racketboy forums. People who know what they're talking about and can offer great advise. Im off to find a cheaper place to buy components.
Yes, really. I was being generous with my estimations as well. If your budget is £600 you can get a pretty great system for that money. However, you want to be very weary of the LGA1155 chipsets (IE Core i5) as there is a fault with all of them, motherboard manufacturers are going to be issuing replacements, and most retailers have stopped selling them. So you might want to wait it out a bit if you want to get a decent system. Honestly though, from what you've said the £425 build I linked you to should be more than enough for your needs. However, for triplehead you might want to get a better card in there.
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Ok im going with a near identical set up to my last one, but this time i'm going for a XFX ATI Radeon HD 5770 graphics card which by every comparison i could find is well worth the extra money over a Nvidia 220. Also getting a better PSU and heatsink/fan and am still £200 in budget.

Also i looked up building your own pc from components and apart from the wireing onto the motherboard its looks rediculously easy.

Final question as i have this extra budget available is there anything i should consider? Of course i dont have to spend the money but if a small amount of spending now can really help bost the performance im listning. For example many sites i've checked out offer deals on Ram as in buy one stick get another half price. Is going over 4gb of RAM pretty pointless or is this an offer worth going for?
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I don't think that more RAM is going to help much, 4GB is already an awful lot. Perhaps it helps with video editing, check with Niode for that one.

Have you already checked your monitors to see if you can actually plug them to your graphics card? Google an image of the card and look at the connectors.

Other than that and if you have already factored a case if you don't have one that fits there's really nothing else that would really increase performance a lot. You can get a Solid State Drive, a good mouse, a good sound system, but those things are far more specific and less important than other components so just save the rest, IMHO.
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Yeah the monitors are compatible as they support DVI, HDMI and VGA so all i need is a DP to VGA adapter which i already own. As i mentioned earlier ive done triple head before but simply want it to look far nicer and work with 'newer' games this time round.
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Frizz.Meister wrote:Yeah the monitors are compatible as they support DVI, HDMI and VGA so all i need is a DP to VGA adapter which i already own. As i mentioned earlier ive done triple head before but simply want it to look far nicer and work with 'newer' games this time round.
You wouldn't be able to do triplehead on a GT220. It only supports two active outputs (even if it has more) this is a hardware limitation of consumer grade nVidia cards. If you get the HD5770 you're going to need an active adaptor. You simply can't take a DP port and passively convert it to DVI and have it work with the other two screens. So you're going to have to factor this into to your cost as well. They're about £20-30. I'm not sure if this applies for DP to VGA, I don't even know if that would work in a triplehead setup.
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Yeah my original plan with the 220 was to has a second far cheaper graphics card so i could support triple head. However as you mentioned the 5770 has ATI eyefinity so i no longer need that. As for the adapter mine is active and because of this needs to be plugged into a usb socket.
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Hey Frizz! If you haven't bought the components yet and you are going to use a 5770 look for the 5770 FLEX. It's the same card but it doesn't need any active adapters.
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