Garou: MArk Of The Wolves

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You're absolutely distorting my answer, or at least what I meant.

"To dismiss any fighter (ESPECIALLY Street Fighter III) just because it doesn't have a fighter that you favor shows that you either lack the willingness to adapt, or the ability."

I already said I lack the ability, sir.
But games are not a must for me, or a competition, or something I must keep loyal to. I'm a big Michael Jackson fan but I don't like some of the stuff he's done. So?

And I don't dismiss SF3, I actually love it. But:

"Just for the record, SF3's dropping of many of the classic characters was one of the best things it did. How anyone can prefer Zangief, Balrog, Dhalsim, Fei Long, T. Hawk and Deejay over Alex, Dudley, Elena, Makoto, Yun and Ibuki is just BEYOND ME. I can't even begin to understand it."

I love Dhalsim, sorry. And the other 4 you mentioned are absolutely lacking any charisma (in my opinion) so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I love SF3 and I love those new characters anyway. What I said in my previous comment was only an example.



I don't really understand why you take this so seriously. There's a lot of your posts I've read that sound so harsh and I don't know why you get kind of angry with people just for not sharing your vision of this or that game. I mean, it's like this supercollector friend of mine who gets MAD at me when I say I don't care if a game it's the original version or the Platinum re-release because, for me, it's just the same game. He says it's not, which is fine, I like how much he enjoys searching and collecting (and then storing because he won't open them), but we just have different ways of seeing things, of playing things, of whatever. So, man, maybe Tekken is a great fighting game, but I've never liked it mainly because of the character design. So what's the problem? I didn't really like the first Capcom vs. SNK either (hey, Joe Higashi's one of the few KOF players I know how to control and all that!).

I agree with you on "the important thing is the fighting". I really do. But what if I don't like most of the songs on a cd? I don't buy it. Sorry, even if it's actually great, outstanding music, I don't buy it. Same goes for almost everything in life for me

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What? How could you say Dudley lacks charisma?



You love him and you know it.

[the7k]

I don't really understand why you take this so seriously. There's a lot of your posts I've read that sound so harsh and I don't know why you get kind of angry with people just for not sharing your vision of this or that game.

Because this vision - the vision I so despise - is pretty much saying "I will pay $60 to revisit something I've played hundreds of times, but I will only consider something new once it hits the bargain bins."

It's this attitude that makes a franchise go stale. It's this attitude that gives publishers reason to drop good and interesting new ideas in favor of the 15th iteration of Guitar Hero.

It irks me when I'm always hearing gamers complain about there not being any new and interesting ideas, and then when a new and interesting idea arrives, they dismiss it because it doesn't have enough old ideas.

Just as an aside - how can you say SF3 characters lack charisma? The SF3 cast is basically the SF2 cast, except replace "generic", "cliched", and "stereotypical" with "stylish", "charismatic", and "interesting".

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What? How could you say Dudley lacks charisma?



You love him and you know it.

Ah the Street Fighter Tribute book...fantastic!

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Just as an aside - how can you say SF3 characters lack charisma?

I said Zangief, Balrog, Dee Jay and Fei Long did, man. "The other SF2 characters" lack charisma, "so it's not a fair comparison". That's what I meant, anyway.

It irks me when I'm always hearing gamers complain about there not being any new and interesting ideas, and then when a new and interesting idea arrives, they dismiss it because it doesn't have enough old ideas.

I'm with you on that.
So, just forget it. It seems either you don't understand what I mean or I don't express myself properly (sorry for my poor english).

[marurun]

Because this vision - the vision I so despise - is pretty much saying "I will pay $60 to revisit something I've played hundreds of times, but I will only consider something new once it hits the bargain bins."

It's this attitude that makes a franchise go stale. It's this attitude that gives publishers reason to drop good and interesting new ideas in favor of the 15th iteration of Guitar Hero.

It irks me when I'm always hearing gamers complain about there not being any new and interesting ideas, and then when a new and interesting idea arrives, they dismiss it because it doesn't have enough old ideas.

You say this after indicating you're gung-ho about the 12th iteration of KOF? I love the KOF series but XII is just as much a sequel as any other. You seem to be selective about your distaste for that attitude.

And let's face it. These are games. They are entertainment and NOTHING MORE. As much as sequelitis may frustrate some of us it's hard to rationally counter people buying entertainment they know they will enjoy. Yeah, some movies are art, but if they're art people don't want to watch it doesn't really matter all that much, does it. Same with books. And with the cost of creating video games that take advantage of all that wasted (arguably useless) hardware at all-time highs taking risks in the name of art is not a winning proposition. Art films tend to be cheaper. Art games will probably emerge with the same trend.

Meanwhile, save your rancor for people who truly deserve it, like child molesters and local TV news writers.

[the7k]

Alright, I was getting off on a tangent - it's not 'sequelitis' I'm after here. If a sequel can keep the franchise fresh, I'm all for it. It's when the sequel improves little to nothing that I have a problem. It's the reason I fell out of love with the GH/RB games, the SF2 games, the Final Fantasy games, etc. If a sequel could have been handled with nothing more than track packs (GH), mission packs (FF), or - even worse - dip switches (SF2 variations), then we have a problem.

But even that is just furthering the tangent - it's the attitude that a book can easily be judged by its cover, and in the case of fighting games, this is almost entirely based on the player roster. The internet attitude that is all the craze right now - "No Mai, No Buy" - is basically saying that they are going to completely dismiss the game just because none of the characters happened to have sprites that make them look like a half-nude ninja girl.

There's only one way I'll completely dismiss a game, and that's if after playing it for a long enough time to form a decision, I find the fighting system to be lacking. If people - especially critics and reviewers - had judged fighting games based not on their character rosters, but the innovations they brought to the table, perhaps the World Heroes series would have become as big as Street Fighter. Instead, everyone labeled World Heroes the worst fighting game ever based on the characters, while the big boys of the fighting industry silently stole the mechanics of World Heroes and got the credit for them.

[marurun]

Familiar characters provide access. New games are frikkin' expensive. By including familiar characters or elements you provide players access to the features of the game. If KOF XII has Mai and lots of players want to play Mai, maybe when they're bored with Mai they'll branch off into other characters, or use Mai when learning the new tricks and new mechanics the game brings with it.

Again, it's hard to fault people for thinking that way. You're not a "better" person because you don't and they're not "lesser" people because they do. Different strokes and all that. I'm sure as hell gonna wait for a sequel fighter to hit bargain bins if it doesn't tempt me with at least a couple of my favorite characters from previous games. I have trouble finding fighting games worth $60 anyway.

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play it online. and what arcade do you go to that has kof12 and sf4?

[wip3outguy7]

Wasn't this a topic about MotW?