What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

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Yeah, welcome to Texas. If the dad felt like he was protecting his daughter from a would be burglar or rapist then should he go to jail? Or should the daughter be culpable for lying saying she didnt know him.
It is such a weird situation. I believe everyone is at fault. The guy shouldn't have went into the house without the owner's permission. He knew he didn't have it when he had to sneak in. The daughter should not be sneaking people into her parent's house and the father over-reacted and was possibly highly medicated and should not have had a firearm. But if he felt his family was in danger, then I would have done the same thing. Luckily Mississippi looks at this as the kid shouldn't have been in the house. If he wasn't in someones house without permission, he would still be alive. A person's vehicle is looked at as part of their house here as well
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Jmustang1968 wrote:Yeah, welcome to Texas. If the dad felt like he was protecting his daughter from a would be burglar or rapist then should he go to jail? Or should the daughter be culpable for lying saying she didnt know him.
dsheinem wrote:Good thing for the dad that the kid shot wasn't white, right?
Jmustang1968 wrote:No, more like good thing for the dad he isnt white...
Yeah...basically that saves him from a media circus. The victim being black will save him from jail.

I'm not just BSing this, either: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =242358456
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If he was white it would be media circus and prosecution, but acquittal.

For something like this, given the circumstances, and the kid was white and in his house, I still think he gets off. Texas values this protect the family from intruders stance it has.
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Jmustang1968 wrote:If he was white it would be media circus and prosecution, but acquittal.

For something like this, given the circumstances, and the kid was white and in his house, I still think he gets off. Texas values this protect the family from intruders stance it has.
I agree with the first part, but the link I shared suggests that the second part is statistically unlikely (at least in Florida). Given their relatively similar state politics/legal systems (on the whole), you'd have to convince me that TX is significantly different than FL in how the law has played out there. I'd be very interested in reading about such a study, in fact...
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dsheinem wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:If he was white it would be media circus and prosecution, but acquittal.

For something like this, given the circumstances, and the kid was white and in his house, I still think he gets off. Texas values this protect the family from intruders stance it has.
I agree with the first part, but the link I shared suggests that the second part is statistically unlikely (at least in Florida). Given their relatively similar state politics (on the whole), you'd have to convince me that TX is significantly different than FL in how the law has played out there. I'd be very interested in reading about such a study, in fact...
This isnt the same law. This is protecting yourself or property from an intruder. Stand your ground is when you feel threatened. Texas treats the sanctity of ones home from intruders very seriously. Out on the street would be a different story than inside the home.
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Jmustang1968 wrote:
This isnt the same law. This is protecting yourself or property from an intruder. Stand your ground is when you feel threatened. Texas treats the sanctity of ones home from intruders very seriously. Out on the street would be a different story than inside the home.
Stand your ground applies in the home - especially in a case like this where the father claims to have shot him because he thought the teen was reaching for a gun.

EDIT: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/03/te ... -doctrine/
A review of FBI data by the Houston Chronicle found that the citizen shootings most often happen after dark and involve a male shooting a handgun during a home invasion. The shooter is most often a minority, as is the person killed, according to the analysis....Texas law, however, goes further than other states in allowing deadly force not only to protect property, but also to stop rape, arson, burglary, robbery, theft at night and criminal mischief at night, the Chronicle reports.
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dsheinem wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
This isnt the same law. This is protecting yourself or property from an intruder. Stand your ground is when you feel threatened. Texas treats the sanctity of ones home from intruders very seriously. Out on the street would be a different story than inside the home.
Stand your ground applies in the home - especially in a case like this where the father claims to have shot him because he thought the teen was reaching for a gun.
Watch the video Luke posted. The home is treated differently.
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Jmustang1968 wrote:
dsheinem wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
This isnt the same law. This is protecting yourself or property from an intruder. Stand your ground is when you feel threatened. Texas treats the sanctity of ones home from intruders very seriously. Out on the street would be a different story than inside the home.
Stand your ground applies in the home - especially in a case like this where the father claims to have shot him because he thought the teen was reaching for a gun.
Watch the video Luke posted. The home is treated differently.
heh. I just posed a follow up article to that last post - it isn't treated differently, it is just that Texas has extended the Castle Doctrine (Stand Your Ground) from the home (where it always existed there) to more places.
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Politics aside, can we agree that the girl was stupid for saying she didn't know the boy she snuck into her bed?
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