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Kkasino, it would be helpful if you could say more about what you want out of the book.


Basically book (or books) about USA history, it don't have to be just one book or books from just one author.

Ds and I both want to know if you're interested in specific aspects of US history though! Domestic and international politics, military history, indigenous peoples history, the Civil Rights movements of various minorities, scientific discoveries, mass communication and entertainment, art, etc. Is there a particular angle you want to explore?


At first i wanted book just about racism/Civil rights, but now i want more general book - politic/military/sciene etc. (I don't mind more books, each one about different topics)

And sorry for my poor english, i understand well but my sentence construction is pretty bad. :oops:


No worries. You're in Eastern Europe, aren't you? We've had worse on here, trust me. Heck, I know Americans who can't properly construct a sentence in English.

Anyway, if you want more and more books on different topics...hmm...


CIVIL RIGHTS

From Jim Crow to Civil Rights: The Supreme Court and the Struggle for Racial Equality by Michael J. Klarman - covers the Supreme Court(our highest judicial body) and its attitudes towards race in its rulings from the late 19th century into the Civil Rights era of the 1960s.

An Idea Whose Time Has Come by Todd S. Purdum - covers the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through the eyes of a respected journalist as he looks back on it 50 years after its passing.

The King Years: Historic Moments in the Civil Rights Movement by Taylor Branch. This is a condensed version of Branch's three previous works on the Civil Rights era, Parting the Waters, Pillar of Fire, and At Canaan's Edge.


ART & FILM

Twentieth-Century American Art by Erika Doss - This covers a wide range of American artistic movements, including counter-culture art movements and public controversies surrounding arts funding.

Hollywood's America: Twentieth-Century America Through Film edited by Steven Mintz and Randy W. Roberts - Offers a series of essays on different aspects of film in the US. Make sure to get the most recent edition, published in 2010.

Movie-Made America: A Cultural History of American Movies by Robert Sklar - This is a view on American cultural history via filmmaking, and how our films reflect our society. It's a little out of date now, considering it is 20 years old, but worth checking out.


WAR

The Forgotten War: America in Korea, 1950-1953 by Clay Blair - This is the best book on the Korean War there is in my opinion. It's the first real bloody conflict of the Cold War but one often not emphasized in American history.

Vietnam: A History by Stanley Karnow - I've read a lot of books on the Vietnam War, and I really like this one(as much as one can like a book about the Vietnam War). This book does its best to explain both sides of the conflict and offers some excellent material, though at times it is definitely more of a journalistic endeavor than a historical or military textbook. If you want accurate accounts of battles and strategy, this isn't it.

The Cold War: A New History by John Lewis Gaddis - Gaddis does his best to give a balanced perspective on the history of the Cold War but points out how key individuals influenced it and how various peoples ultimately brought about its end.

A Problem From Hell: America and the Age of Genocide by Samantha Power - Power examines the relationship and responses of America to multiple genocides in the 20th century. If you want a short explanation of what she covers: we don't tend to react much unless our specific interests are threatened. Then again, neither does the rest of the world.


POLITICS

We the People by Thomas Patterson - Patterson gives a balanced view on the modern American political system and how it came about.

Perspectives on American Politics by William Lasser - This book is designed to supplement government textbooks in schools and reflects the primary chapters of such books. It provides essays on the development of the political system, ongoing issues and controversies, what it is like within the political system, and where we stand today.

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Truth be told, this is all just a small slice of what American history is like in the 20th century, and there are hundreds of other books that cover even more topics, such as Conservatism vs. Liberalism and how their modern incarnations came about in our political system, different aspects of government, economic history of the US, biographies of particular individuals, defining moments that shaped our history(such as the Watergate scandal for President Nixon, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the Great Depression), sports history in the United States(from the formation of baseball to Cassius Clay becoming Muhammad Ali), the history of corporations like Ford, Atari, and Microsoft, and so on. There's a hell of a lot to read.
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Thanks for so many recommendations :shock:

It's hard to get some of these books here (Yes i am from Easter Europe - Slovakia).
But i found Cold War from J.L.G in local library and found some cheap copies of "Vietnam: A History" and "The Forgotten War: America in Korea" from UK but i have to ask about shipping prices :o

Once again thanks.
Sorry for my engrish :)
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"Do They Know It's Christmas?" (as edited by prfsnl_gmr)

[T]here's no need to be afraid.
[W]e let in light and we banish shade.
But say a prayer, pray for the other ones!
There's a world outside your window,
And it's a world of dread and fear,
Where the only water flowing,
Is the bitter sting of tears!
And the . . . bells that ring there are the clanging chimes of doom!
Well, tonight, thank God it's them instead of you!

And there won't be snow . . . this . . . time!
The greatest gift they'll get this year is life!
Where nothing ever grows,
No rain nor rivers flow.

. . .

Spare a thought . . . for the deprived?
If the table was turned, would you survive?
Here's to them!
Underneath that burning sun!
You ain't gotta feel guilt just selfless.
Give a little help to the helpless;
Do they know . . . at all?

Feed the world!
Let them know . . . again!


Editor's Note: It is amazing how little I had to edit the lyrics to turn "Do they Know It's Christmas?" into a pretty sweet heavy metal song.
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Kkasino wrote:Thanks for so many recommendations :shock:

It's hard to get some of these books here (Yes i am from Easter Europe - Slovakia).
But i found Cold War from J.L.G in local library and found some cheap copies of "Vietnam: A History" and "The Forgotten War: America in Korea" from UK but i have to ask about shipping prices :o

Once again thanks.


You're welcome!

If you take an interest in the Vietnam War, I can offer a lot of titles on it covering various perspectives. It's a depressing war to study, particularly for Americans, but it's also an excellent war to learn from. The biggest difficulty in selecting good books on it is the bias that sources often have in both directions. There's a lot of strange things that happen in Vietnamese history, ranging from the Deer Teams set up by the US OSS which helped modernize the Vietnamese' guerrilla tactics, the use of freed Japanese POWs under British command fighting back the Viet Minh immediately after WWII, the bizarre history of the US military's Military Assistance Command, Vietnam - Studies and Observations Group, the Vietcong's use of tunnels versus SEATO's Tunnel Rats, and ongoing military R&D from the era. And all of this relates back into ongoing political and cultural movements in the domestic US. It's upsetting. It's also crazy.
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prfsnl_gmr wrote:Editor's Note: It is amazing how little I had to edit the lyrics to turn "Do they Know It's Christmas?" into a pretty sweet heavy metal song.


There's a temptation to actually run with this but I feel like it'd be too obvious.
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if you take an interest in the Vietnam War

Thanks, i would be grateful for any recommendation.
You don't have to(if you don't want to) write something about every book, just simple list would be great.

Thanks
Sorry for my engrish :)
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Kkasino wrote:
if you take an interest in the Vietnam War

Thanks, i would be grateful for any recommendation.
You don't have to(if you don't want to) write something about every book, just simple list would be great.

Thanks


Sure.

Ho - This is a brief biography of Ho Chi Minh by David Halberstam. I have mixed feelings on this book, but it gives a good background to understanding one of the critical figures of the war.

The Tunnels of Cu Chi: A Harrowing Account of America's Tunnel Rats in the Underground Battlefields of Vietnam - Covers the war in the tunnel systems from both sides.

A Viet Cong Memoir - Covers the story of Truong Nhu Tang, a Paris-educated Vientamese fighter who joined the Viet Cong, served as the VC's Minister of Justice, and ultimately fell into disillusionment over the war and fled.

A Rumor of War - This is the author telling of his experiences in the USMC in the early days of the Vietnam conflict.

The Secret War Against Hanoi - Explains the history of Military Assitance Command, Vietnam - Studies and Observation Group, an organization composed of combined US military forces and used for special operations in intelligence gathering, counterintelligence, guerrilla warfare, and psychological warfare.

The United States and Australia in Vietnam, 1954-1968: Silent Partners - While the United States and South Vietnam were the two nations most heavily involved in the Vietnam War, Australia was the third most committed player. This book is a very dry textbook, but it goes into great detail on the relationship between the US and Australia during the critical lead up and the guerrilla campaign era of the war.

We Were Soldiers Once...And Young - Covers the Battle of Ia Drang, the first real battle between the US Army and the People's Army of Vietnam, including perspectives from both sides over the battles for LZ X-Ray and LZ Albany.

The Magnificent Bastards - This book examines the defense of the USMC's Dong Ha combat base, which was invaded by a superior force of North Vietnamese in 1968, resulting in a grueling battle that lasted two weeks in which the USMC and a supporting US Army infantry battalion often found themselves in hand-to-hand combat.

The Easter Offensive, Vietnam, 1972 - Col. G. H. Turley recounts one of the strangest moments in the history of the Vietnam War, in which a USMC colonel ended up in command of the US military's combined arms as well as the South Vietnamese Marines in an attempt to combat the full invasion of the People's Army of Vietnam as it moved south with the bulk of its army in the opening weeks of the Easter Offensive.

When Heaven and Earth Changed Places - Presents a critical view of both parties from the viewpoint of a South Vietnamese peasant who eventually married an American and moved to the US in 1970, only to have her family back home torn apart. She returns in 1986 to discover the ultimate fallout of the war in her homeland.

In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam - Robert S. McNamara was Secretary of Defense during the Kennedy and then the Johnson administrations. This book is both his apology and attempt at explanation for the decisions made which brought America into the Vietnam War and which prolonged it into the Tet Offensive in 1968.
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AppleQueso wrote:
prfsnl_gmr wrote:Editor's Note: It is amazing how little I had to edit the lyrics to turn "Do they Know It's Christmas?" into a pretty sweet heavy metal song.


There's a temptation to actually run with this but I feel like it'd be too obvious.


Apparently, there a new version of this dreadful song was released recently; so, it would definitely be too obvious. You should, however, feel free to reference the song by incorporating "clanging chimes of doom" into your lyrics.
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Kkasino wrote:Thanks for so many recommendations :shock:

It's hard to get some of these books here (Yes i am from Easter Europe - Slovakia).
But i found Cold War from J.L.G in local library and found some cheap copies of "Vietnam: A History" and "The Forgotten War: America in Korea" from UK but i have to ask about shipping prices :o

Once again thanks.


MIDOVIIINEEEE!!!! :D :D :D

Also you can look online for the .epub (aka e-book) versions of these books....in English though, I don't think they'd be easy to find in Slovak.
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MIDOVIIINEEEE!!!! :D :D :D

I have no idea what does that supposed to mean :lol:

Also you can look online for the .epub (aka e-book) versions of these books....in English though, I don't think they'd be easy to find in Slovak.

I found some e-book, now every one but few of them.
Yeah i was pretty suprised how little is actually transalted.(i found just one fricking book, it makes me prety sad :( )
Sorry for my engrish :)
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