Sega Genesis vs. SNES!?

[Original_Name]

I think you're cool enough, you just haven't embraced it yet.

OH MY GOD, MY MEMORY CARD IS SHOWING ME PICTURES OF STUFF WHILE I PLAY GAMES, I DON'T EVEN -- IS THAT A MONOCHROMATIC BUST OF BIG THE CAT!? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?

Oh, you're still playing Ocarina of Time? *snort*

[flamepanther]

Because you can plug it into a wall and recharge the battery, plus I guess you're just not HARDCORE enough to carry it around in the awesome travel case. Wow, go play Barbie Horse Adventures while us REAL GAMERS play Fantasy Zone, Ack.

I like to go places where I don't have to spend all my time next to a wall socket charging that black behemoth.

Plus Metroid.

Maybe Nintendo and Sega should have traded slogans for the portable (should "portable" be in quotes in Sega's case?) market.

Game Gear: Now you're playing with power! No, really, you're only able to play because you're sitting right next to the power.

Game Boy: Welcome to the Next Level. Thank god your batteries last long enough to get you that far.

[Jayson]

Right now I am more enamored with the SNES. Having only owned it for a short time back in the day, I missed quite a few great games that I can catch up on now. (I bought it used shortly before the Saturn was released and sold it off to help fund the huge purchase that system turned out to be.)

I was a Genesis owner since shortly after it's release and was more into arcade style games, so at the time, I thought it was the best. I missed my Mario and Metroid games, but there was way more than enough to keep me busy.

The SNES does seem to have aged a lot better than the Genesis too so that helps in playing some of these games now for the first time.

[flamepanther]

Sorry to jump backwards in the conversation, but I like comparing games and analyzing lists...

After Burner Complete, Alien Soldier, Android Assault: The Revenge of Bari-Arm, Beyond Oasis, Comix Zone, Dark Wizard, Ecco the Dolphin, Ecco the Dolphin: The Tides of Time, Eliminate Down, Eternal Champions: Challengers from the Dark Side, GleyLancer, Gunstar Heroes, Herzog Zwei, Lunar: Silver Star, Lunar: Eternal Blue, Monster World IV, M.U.S.H.A., Panorama Cotton, Phantasy Star II, Phantasy Star IV, Popful Mail, Pulseman, Ranger-X, Ristar, Robo Aleste, Rocket Knight Adventures, Shining Force, Shining Force II, Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master, Snatcher, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Space Harrier, Streets of Rage 2, Streets of Rage 3, Super Fantasy Zone, Thunder Force III, Thunder Force IV, ToeJam & Earl, Vectorman, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyo Toitsusen

I would consider every one of those games to be masterful in craft, have held up considerably well, and don't have any direct parallels on the Super Nintendo (like Contra, Castlevania, and Earthworm Jim, for instance).

Some of these games do have counterparts in the same franchises on the Super NES and Super Famicom: The Cotton series has Cotton 100%, a version of Popful Mail exists sans FMV cut scenes, the Aleste games are represented by Super Aleste, Sparkster is present and accounted for sans the "Rocket Knight" title, and Thunder Spirits is a very bad port of Thunder Force III.

Some others listed have directly comparable counterparts in spirit despite unrelated branding or development (although some importing may be necessary): if Zelda isn't a suitable comparison to Beyond Oasis, try Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu III, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma. The Shining force series should have a suitable partner for comparison in the Fire Emblem games.

They're both incredible systems, and to try and declare an objective winner is absolute foolishness.

Agreed.

[noiseredux]

Game Boy vs Game Gear /discuss

Why does it matter that it's in color when it dies after an hour and doesn't fit in my pocket?

I think we're done here.

hell yeah!

[Hobie-wan]

Why does it matter that it's in color when it dies after an hour and doesn't fit in my pocket?

I think we're done here.

hell yeah!

Pfft, I'm sure it can be hooked up to one of these with a little effort.

[flamepanther]

Pfft, I'm sure it can be hooked up to one of these with a little effort.

[Breetai]

Sorry to jump backwards in the conversation, but I like comparing games and analyzing lists...

After Burner Complete, Alien Soldier, Android Assault: The Revenge of Bari-Arm, Beyond Oasis, Comix Zone, Dark Wizard, Ecco the Dolphin, Ecco the Dolphin: The Tides of Time, Eliminate Down, Eternal Champions: Challengers from the Dark Side, GleyLancer, Gunstar Heroes, Herzog Zwei, Lunar: Silver Star, Lunar: Eternal Blue, Monster World IV, M.U.S.H.A., Panorama Cotton, Phantasy Star II, Phantasy Star IV, Popful Mail, Pulseman, Ranger-X, Ristar, Robo Aleste, Rocket Knight Adventures, Shining Force, Shining Force II, Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master, Snatcher, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Space Harrier, Streets of Rage 2, Streets of Rage 3, Super Fantasy Zone, Thunder Force III, Thunder Force IV, ToeJam & Earl, Vectorman, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyo Toitsusen

I would consider every one of those games to be masterful in craft, have held up considerably well, and don't have any direct parallels on the Super Nintendo (like Contra, Castlevania, and Earthworm Jim, for instance).

Some of these games do have counterparts in the same franchises on the Super NES and Super Famicom: The Cotton series has Cotton 100%, a version of Popful Mail exists sans FMV cut scenes, the Aleste games are represented by Super Aleste, Sparkster is present and accounted for sans the "Rocket Knight" title, and Thunder Spirits is a very bad port of Thunder Force III.

Some others listed have directly comparable counterparts in spirit despite unrelated branding or development (although some importing may be necessary): if Zelda isn't a suitable comparison to Beyond Oasis, try Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu III, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma. The Shining force series should have a suitable partner for comparison in the Fire Emblem games.

You can't really count Popful Mail, as it is ONLY in Japanese and is not the same as the Sega CD version. In fact, they are completely different games! They are both action RPGs with about the same story, but that's where it ends. FMV being absent in the SFC version is barely a factor. They use entirely different game engines, with different levels, places to visit, gameplay, etc. It's like saying that Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X are the same game!

It is not proper to substitute the Fire Emblem games with Shining Force games either, unless you are damn good at Japanese. Same with mentioning Seiken Densetsu III. I really don't understand why you mentioned these games, as the majority of people who would read this cannot play them properly.

[Original_Name]

Sorry to jump backwards in the conversation, but I like comparing games and analyzing lists...

After Burner Complete, Alien Soldier, Android Assault: The Revenge of Bari-Arm, Beyond Oasis, Comix Zone, Dark Wizard, Ecco the Dolphin, Ecco the Dolphin: The Tides of Time, Eliminate Down, Eternal Champions: Challengers from the Dark Side, GleyLancer, Gunstar Heroes, Herzog Zwei, Lunar: Silver Star, Lunar: Eternal Blue, Monster World IV, M.U.S.H.A., Panorama Cotton, Phantasy Star II, Phantasy Star IV, Popful Mail, Pulseman, Ranger-X, Ristar, Robo Aleste, Rocket Knight Adventures, Shining Force, Shining Force II, Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master, Snatcher, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Space Harrier, Streets of Rage 2, Streets of Rage 3, Super Fantasy Zone, Thunder Force III, Thunder Force IV, ToeJam & Earl, Vectorman, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyo Toitsusen

I would consider every one of those games to be masterful in craft, have held up considerably well, and don't have any direct parallels on the Super Nintendo (like Contra, Castlevania, and Earthworm Jim, for instance).

Some of these games do have counterparts in the same franchises on the Super NES and Super Famicom: The Cotton series has Cotton 100%, a version of Popful Mail exists sans FMV cut scenes, the Aleste games are represented by Super Aleste, Sparkster is present and accounted for sans the "Rocket Knight" title, and Thunder Spirits is a very bad port of Thunder Force III.

Some others listed have directly comparable counterparts in spirit despite unrelated branding or development (although some importing may be necessary): if Zelda isn't a suitable comparison to Beyond Oasis, try Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu III, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma. The Shining force series should have a suitable partner for comparison in the Fire Emblem games.

They're both incredible systems, and to try and declare an objective winner is absolute foolishness.

Agreed.

Oh yeah, I always forget about Thunder Spirits, and to be perfectly honest I had no idea about Popful Mail originating on the Super Famicom. By "direct parallels" I meant very similar titles in the same series... Panorama Cotton being in a different genre than Cotton 100%, I think that's still a valid case, but you're right about Super Aleste and Sparkster -- those were just oversights.

[flamepanther]

You can't really count Popful Mail, as it is ONLY in Japanese and is not the same as the Sega CD version. In fact, they are completely different games! They are both action RPGs with about the same story, but that's where it ends. FMV being absent in the SFC version is barely a factor. They use entirely different game engines, with different levels, places to visit, gameplay, etc. It's like saying that Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X are the same game!

You're changing the paramaters I was commenting on, which Original_Name put forth. Notice he says the games he listed don't have direct comparisons like Contra and Castlevania. The Contra and Castlevania titles between both systems are totally different games as well, but in the same genre and with the same branding. That's what I was going with.

It is not proper to substitute the Fire Emblem games with Shining Force games either, unless you are damn good at Japanese. Same with mentioning Seiken Densetsu III. I really don't understand why you mentioned these games, as the majority of people who would read this cannot play them properly.

Some of these games have had translation patches for a long time--which can be played on original hardware and not just on an emulator. I was playing translated SENS ROMs without an emulator more than a decade ago, when you could still find an SNES 2 on the shelf at Toys'R'Us. Before that, I recall a lot of translation scripts that were available on-line for those who cared to use them as a guide while playing.

Any discussion of how awesome the Sega Saturn is always ends up involving huge numbers of exclusively Japanese games, and it's always accepted there. I really don't understand why it's suddenly unacceptable when discussing the console generation prior to that.