The PS4 thread

[dsheinem]

Well not all are that brutal. Seems like the graphics and atmosphere are stunning. But it seems conclusive that the combat in gameplay is restrictive and average at best.

I basically skimmed Kotaku and Polygon, who were effusive in their derision. Where are the good reviews?

[Jmustang1968]

Well not all are that brutal. Seems like the graphics and atmosphere are stunning. But it seems conclusive that the combat in gameplay is restrictive and average at best.

I basically skimmed Kotaku and Polygon, who were effusive in their derision. Where are the good reviews?

Just go to meta. Kotakus and polygon were on the low side. USGamer as well.

[dsheinem]

Well not all are that brutal. Seems like the graphics and atmosphere are stunning. But it seems conclusive that the combat in gameplay is restrictive and average at best.

I basically skimmed Kotaku and Polygon, who were effusive in their derision. Where are the good reviews?

Just go to meta. Kotakus and polygon were on the low side. USGamer as well.

Yeah, most positive reviews were from sites I don't know...

[Jmustang1968]

I basically skimmed Kotaku and Polygon, who were effusive in their derision. Where are the good reviews?

Just go to meta. Kotakus and polygon were on the low side. USGamer as well.

Yeah, most positive reviews were from sites I don't know...

only a few are glowing, the others are lukewarm, but basically say looks great, bland gameplay.

[dsheinem]

only a few are glowing, the others are lukewarm, but basically say looks great, bland gameplay.

what I really need is a review of that statue...

[wclem]

Actually I was not aware of the rumors until you posted here DS. Thanks for the heads up man, saved me some more release day grief.

[Reprise]

The Order? Pfft, I've had it since this morning...

It's really not that bad in my opinion. It's not great, but I'm enjoying it all the same. I don't really get the "it feels outdated" comments from a lot of critics either, but maybe I'm out of touch anyways, since I'm a retro loving gamer.

[irixith]

Well not all are that brutal. Seems like the graphics and atmosphere are stunning. But it seems conclusive that the combat in gameplay is restrictive and average at best.

This is not a dig at you specifically, just a thought process spawned from what I'm reading. When do gamers stop becoming apologists for sub-standard games? If it's a crummy game, why aren't we allowed to say so, to demand better? Graphics and atmosphere are all well and good, but if there's no gameplay to back it up, what a waste. It's a game, to be played. If you botch the "to play" part, why are we, the target audience, supposed to look the other way, praise the other merits, and be grateful that someone is peeing on our leg and telling us it's raining? Why is there constant over-promising and under-delivering?

We know that gamers, especially modern ones, are a fickle and mostly ungrateful audience. We know that the internet has given everyone an amplification of their voice, and criticism sells more advertising than praise. It's not even the "in" thing to do anymore to hate on things, it's just what's done. Hate on things, tear them down. We know that, and we're educated at every turn to not do that. Praise, be positive, words are weapons. Is that what's causing this attitude? This sort of no harm, no foul, your game looks pretty, it's all good I'm kind of enjoying it anyway because I dumped $80 on it that I'm never going to see back once it's been opened? Ha-Ha, joke's on me?

Urgh, it's driving me crazy in relation to XB1/PS4 stuff.

/off-topic

[Forlorn Drifter]

I'll just have to play the demo or something for Order before I ever pick it up. I was really interested, but if its as bad as everybody makes it out to be, I don't know if I'll mess with it.

@irixith
I don't know about the whole shebang, but I get the idea part of the current reasoning behind that thinking is some of the more recent "games" that have little to actual gameplay, along the lines of Dear Esther or some such. Could also be connected to the games are art argument.

[Reprise]

In my opinion it's not a bad game... In fact, it's kinda sad that these days people say games that get between 5-7/10 are "bad".

You know what's a bad game? ECW Anarchy Rulz. Or Superman 64. Or Pitfighter. Or Bubsy 3D.

Believe me, The Order is not a bad game. It's a victim of its own hype.