Xbox One

[Gamerforlife]

Given that most of what I hated about last gen was due to Microsoft, I think they are living proof that it's BAD when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. I wish the top three still consisted of Japanese only companies (Nintendo, Sega, and Sony)

Gaming was better when it was Japanese dominated (i.e. before Microsoft stuck its nose in it). All of the Xbox One announcements they made going into E3 shows you what happens when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. Fortunately, the extreme backlash has forced the big M to retract most of its plans for the Xbox One

[Ack]

Given that most of what I hated about last gen was due to Microsoft, I think they are living proof that it's BAD when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. I wish the top three still consisted of Japanese only companies (Nintendo, Sega, and Sony)

Gaming was better when it was Japanese dominated (i.e. before Microsoft stuck its nose in it). All of the Xbox One announcements they made going into E3 shows you what happens when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. Fortunately, the extreme backlash has forced the big M to retract most of its plans for the Xbox One

I disagree. I think each company has offered positives and negatives. Region locking, an emphasis on the Japanese market at the expense of others, Nintendo's censorship policies, attempts to control third-party companies from releasing games or developing emulators through console design and lawsuits (Sega v. Accolade, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. v. Connectix Corporation). During the era of Japanese dominance, we saw them rigidly control the industry and attempt to openly thwart each other and try to exterminate any possibility of competition.

[Pulsar_t]

If MS and Sony wish to compete effectively against mobiles and tablets they had better slash prices pretty soon.

I dunno , how much of the price do you want them to slash? The graphics are already too good at a fair price of $400 (for ps4) . How much would a PC setup cost for the same performance?

Not at launch, but within a year or two.

[fastbilly1]

If MS and Sony wish to compete effectively against mobiles and tablets they had better slash prices pretty soon.

I dunno , how much of the price do you want them to slash? The graphics are already too good at a fair price of $400 (for ps4) . How much would a PC setup cost for the same performance?

$500 gets you one helluva a PC:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06 ... t-gen-pc/‎

[Ack]

If MS and Sony wish to compete effectively against mobiles and tablets they had better slash prices pretty soon.

I dunno , how much of the price do you want them to slash? The graphics are already too good at a fair price of $400 (for ps4) . How much would a PC setup cost for the same performance?

$500 gets you one helluva a PC:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06 ... t-gen-pc/‎

Admittedly they were using 500 British pounds, so roughly $775 US dollars.

[fastbilly1]

Admittedly they were using 500 British pounds, so roughly $775 US dollars.

I should have specified if you match the parts to those on Newegg you will come out at $500.

If thats not enough proof, though it is a Q4 2012 build it is still mighty capable:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bud ... ,3364.html

[Cronozilla]

The cheapest you could pay to put something together that would out perform (at a hardware level) the specs that are in PS3 and Xbox One could be less.

If you don't care about things like part security, the prices plummet. You can get the same chipset graphics card for almost $80 less depending on which brand you go with and which model. It's the same chipset supplied by the same chip manufacturer ... but the manufacturer of the board may or may not be the same quality as the one that has a 10 year warranty, for example.

However, when comparing the situation to consoles, it's not that big of a deal since the consoles use lower end parts anyway and have almost no warranty as well.

But, if you budget it right, you could build something that out-specs the consoles, currently, for $350-$500. The kicker is if you own various components or not already. I think it's unfair to include things like OS, for example, because that's up to the user's taste and isn't actually essential. And things like a BluRay drive aren't remotely needed for PC gaming even though all three of the consoles have some form of violet laser optics.

Most of the ideas people have about PC gaming prices are really misconstrued because they see how much some people pay and think that's normal, or even worse, mandatory. But it isn't. Most people don't really understand how games utilize the hardware, so they generally put their money in the wrong areas. I've seen people blow $300 on a CPU and buy a really sub-par $100 GPU, and then they wonder why it doesn't play their games so well. It's just kind of silly.

Update: Ah yeah, there's some builds shown that aren't breaking the console price barrier.

[Jmustang1968]

Given that most of what I hated about last gen was due to Microsoft, I think they are living proof that it's BAD when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. I wish the top three still consisted of Japanese only companies (Nintendo, Sega, and Sony)

Gaming was better when it was Japanese dominated (i.e. before Microsoft stuck its nose in it). All of the Xbox One announcements they made going into E3 shows you what happens when an American company gets a dominant position in the gaming industry. Fortunately, the extreme backlash has forced the big M to retract most of its plans for the Xbox One

I completely disagree. I think much of the japanese developers have really struggled this gen and have fallen behind.

[BoneSnapDeez]

I wish the top three still consisted of Japanese only companies (Nintendo, Sega, and Sony)

Gaming was at its peak when the top three companies were Nintendo, Sega, and NEC.

[Stark]

I was out for a week and wasn't able to comment on the flip by MSFT, but I'm actually kind of bummed out. I was looking forward to having it be more like a Steam library that I could get to anywhere and having the data and saves be in the cloud. Oh well.