Games Beaten : 2011

[Opa Opa]

Wait... Has there some console vs. PC rivalry going on I've been unaware of? (Not sarcasm)

[J T]

Wait... Has there some console vs. PC rivalry going on I've been unaware of? (Not sarcasm)

Crysis 1 was a benchmarking game that pushed PC hardware to the limits and was a PC exclusive.

Crysis 2 was made to also be released on consoles, and therefore didn't push boundaries on PC as hard..

PC gamers have been pissed ever since.

[KillerJuan77]

And by the way, fuck you PC elitists, your arrogance and stupidity got in the way of a great game.

Well fuck you too, console elitist, for taking a favorite genre of mine and forcing it to be dubbed down and mass-marketed so you could play streamlined experiences using a controller where once I was given lush and innovative worlds to explore with my keyboard and mouse.

But he played it on PC? So confused.

I played it on the PC and well it's very easy to blame consoles for everything that goes wrong in terms of simplification, Deus Ex is on the PS2 and it's the same thing than the PC version, the same with Operation Flashpoint Elite on the Xbox, Thief: Deadly Shadows and fricking Morrowind. Besides, not everything needs to be as complicated as it was years ago, hell, I've seen reviews of System Shock 2 complaining about the overly complicated interface.

[Opa Opa]

[...]and fricking Morrowind.

Uh... what? Explain.

[Gamerforlife]

Wait... Has there some console vs. PC rivalry going on I've been unaware of? (Not sarcasm)

Crysis 1 was a benchmarking game that pushed PC hardware to the limits and was a PC exclusive.

Crysis 2 was made to also be released on consoles, and therefore didn't push boundaries on PC as hard..

PC gamers have been pissed ever since.

Looks at comic, sees Xbox fanboy, Playstation fanboy, Wii fanboy and PC fanboy

[Ack]

I played it on the PC and well it's very easy to blame consoles for everything that goes wrong in terms of simplification, Deus Ex is on the PS2 and it's the same thing than the PC version, the same with Operation Flashpoint Elite on the Xbox, Thief: Deadly Shadows and fricking Morrowind. Besides, not everything needs to be as complicated as it was years ago, hell, I've seen reviews of System Shock 2 complaining about the overly complicated interface.

First off, I think you missed the point. You're bitching and moaning about PC gamers bitching and moaning because the sequel to a game that they used as a benchmark for their machines was incapable of being used as such. In short, they had expected something great and instead what they got wasn't. That's not to say it's a bad game, but it's not what they wanted or were used to, so they complained. Gamers do this all the time with video game series, so their complaints are actually quite typical. You just want to complain about their complaints, which ultimately makes you just as bad, if not worse, because you immediately turn to vitriol for them having something that is considered a legitimate complaint in the PC community.

Second off, the PS2 was capable of running Deus Ex...but consider the emasculated and dubbed down Deus Ex 2, in which so much of the interesting open-world features of the first game were lost because of its console-centric development. Morrowind had its modding features cut on the console release, making it of lesser quality on consoles to me because I consider modding vital to PC games' lifespans, and it allows for the creativity of the community to shine through. If you think modding isn't worth considering, then I'll ask you what you think of Team Fortress 2, the successor to two mods from different FPS engines, Team Fortress (Quake) and Team Fortress Classic (Half-Life). Counter-Strike, perhaps one of the most important multiplayer FPS games of the last fifteen years, is also just a mod.

Third, FPS do get dubbed down for consoles. Besides Deus Ex 2, consider the lack of dedicated servers in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the control issues of Shadowrun's initial release with the intention of bringing PC gamers down to console gamers' level, the outcry from the MOH community to Medal of Honor: Airborne over the lack of dedicated servers, mouse lag, and terrible framerates upon its first reveal (the company was effectively forced to change this because the community basically revolted).

In fact, console FPS helped popularize\ two FPS elements that I see routinely criticized by both PC and console FPS players: regenerating shields and limited weapon amounts. As a personal annoyance I also dislike the smaller multiplayer match sizes that are inherently required for consoles, which keep me from the 64-man battles which made me so happy with games like the Battlefield series.

So do PC gamers have a right to complain? Yes. And will video game corporations heed their arguments?

Well, no. Consoles make more money, and the standardization makes it easier to program for them if you're willing to accept their limitations. So PC gamers get to sit and watch as options they once considered vital are now cut, fewer companies take their considerations into account, and the PC market becomes merely a reflection of the console markets (how many RTS, turn-based strategy, and point-and-click adventure games, all genres generally preferred on PCs, do you see coming out from major companies these days?). There are still PC-specific companies, especially indie devs, which make PC gaming awesome. But PC gamers have good reason to complain about much of what is going on with the industry these days.

And what are you worried about why they're complaining anyway? You played the game, you formed your opinion, don't worry about theirs. But do not come on to this website to curse out a community for its complaints, some of which might be legit. You don't have to agree, but there are better ways to say it.

[KillerJuan77]

You've got a point, I'm sorry, I'm very impulsive and I tend to say stuff I regret later on, but at the same time it's a bit unfair that consoles get blamed for almost everything, sure it's the most mainstream way to play videogames but I think that games get dumbed down in general, not because of consoles, I could easily come up with HUNDREDS of control schemes for something like System Shock 2, STALKER, Undying, AvP, The Movies, etc. that wouldn't require simplifications on any plattform.

[Ack]

You've got a point, I'm sorry, I'm very impulsive and I tend to say stuff I regret later on, but at the same time it's a bit unfair that consoles get blamed for almost everything, sure it's the most mainstream way to play videogames but I think that games get dumbed down in general, not because of consoles, I could easily come up with HUNDREDS of control schemes for something like System Shock 2, STALKER, Undying, AvP, The Movies, etc. that wouldn't require simplifications on any plattform.

Yeah, I don't mean to sound harsh. I'm sure you could come up with some nice control schemes. But I'm not comfortable with controllers for FPS, and as of right now I don't see much reason to become so when there are so many great FPS I can still play with a keyboard and mouse, but that may all change sometime. The simplifications also go a bit beyond that though. Ds once talked about it, and the points he mentioned were quite interesting, such as the lesser sensitivity of controllers requiring fewer moments where enemies pop up from behind...but I don't remember all the details, so don't quote me.

Anyway, I'm glad you liked Crysis 2. I didn't care much for the first, but I may give the second a shot some time.

[Xeogred]

I'm slightly interested in Crysis 2 as well, but who knows. Also hated the first one myself. Far Cry was the best FPS Ubisoft has done over the last several years (the original game, and no Predator on the 360 IS NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL!)

As for the controller vs keyboard/mouse setup regarding FPS's, I've said it before but personally for me it boils down to the actual game honestly. The mechanics of some games feel better with a controller (Halo), and some feel more at home with a keyboard mouse (Half-Life), for some random examples for me personally. I can go back and forth fairly easily though. Without a doubt though, when it comes to games like System Shock 2 and Deus Ex, I definitely prefer the PC for inventory management and things like that. But trust me, I played Deus Ex on the PS2 like 10 times before I played the PC version.

The only problem I am facing with console FPS's thesedays is that I am practically maxing out the sensitivity now. For CoD4 it was High, for Halo it was 8 or 9 out of 10, and so on. Some games I even have to max it out and it's still not enough, so hopefully that starts getting a little more flexible. But I'm even increasing the sensitivity on the PC a lot as well. Guess that just happens when you've played FPS's for years, I can't go back to slowness anymore.

[KillerJuan77]

I'm slightly interested in Crysis 2 as well, but who knows. Also hated the first one myself. Far Cry was the best FPS Ubisoft has done over the last several years (the original game, and no Predator on the 360 IS NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL!)

I hated the first one too and I'm not liking FarCry that much (Stupid difficulty level) but I adored Crysis 2. Definetely give it a shot.

And yeah, I tend to increase sensitivity in most console shooters.