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[Ziggy]

Also, Hook was #4, I thought it was a tv movie that didn't turn out as well as expected(didn't see).

Hook was directed by Steven Spielberg and composed by John Williams. I've never seen a bad movie with this combination. The score is fantastic. On top of that, it has a great cast. Robin Williams as Peter Banning / Pan, the only person that could possibly play this part. Dustin Hoffman as Captain Hook, which I think gave an amazing performance. Bob Hoskins as Smee (who would later play this character again in an unrelated Pan movie) who also gave a great performance. Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell, which I've heard some criticism for but I never thought it was bad (maybe not great, but definitely not bad). Maggie Smith as Granny Wendy, which most people these days would know for her part in Harry Potter. I've never seen any Harry Potter movies, but I love her in Hook and Sister Act. Dante Basco as Rufio, who would later do the voice of Zuko in Avatar: The Last Airbender (and another minor role in The Legend of Korra). Phil Collins has a bit part as a police detective.

This movie does get a lot of shit, but I never understood why. It's a sort of sequel to Peter Pan, on the premise of "what would happen if Peter left Neverland and grew up?" For the people that didn't like this movie, just what exactly were they expecting?

There's been a few video game adaptations of the movie. The NES and GB versions are crap. But the SNES version of the game is entirely different, and a hidden gem. It's a great platformer. My only complaint being there's no passwords or anything, you have to beat it in one go. But other than that, any fan of SNES platformers should play this game. It had ports on Genesis and Sega CD, but the SNES version is the best.

[o.pwuaioc]

Also, Hook was #4, I thought it was a tv movie that didn't turn out as well as expected(didn't see).

Hook was directed by Steven Spielberg and composed by John Williams. I've never seen a bad movie with this combination. The score is fantastic. On top of that, it has a great cast. Robin Williams as Peter Banning / Pan, the only person that could possibly play this part. Dustin Hoffman as Captain Hook, which I think gave an amazing performance. Bob Hoskins as Smee (who would later play this character again in an unrelated Pan movie) who also gave a great performance. Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell, which I've heard some criticism for but I never thought it was bad (maybe not great, but definitely not bad). Maggie Smith as Granny Wendy, which most people these days would know for her part in Harry Potter. I've never seen any Harry Potter movies, but I love her in Hook and Sister Act. Dante Basco as Rufio, who would later do the voice of Zuko in Avatar: The Last Airbender (and another minor role in The Legend of Korra). Phil Collins has a bit part as a police detective.

This movie does get a lot of shit, but I never understood why. It's a sort of sequel to Peter Pan, on the premise of "what would happen if Peter left Neverland and grew up?" For the people that didn't like this movie, just what exactly were they expecting?

I second your opinion. I was shocked to see Hook get so much crap. But I love it, and I even think it holds up well as an adult today. You didn't see Dustin Hoffman play Captain Hook, you saw Captain Hook. Probably one of his best performances in my opinion, and I'm a big fan.

There's been a few video game adaptations of the movie. The NES and GB versions are crap. But the SNES version of the game is entirely different, and a hidden gem. It's a great platformer. My only complaint being there's no passwords or anything, you have to beat it in one go. But other than that, any fan of SNES platformers should play this game. It had ports on Genesis and Sega CD, but the SNES version is the best.

SNES Hook, you mean Skyblazer: The Prequel?

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Another thing that helped prince of thieves was that Bryan Adam's theme song the radio's played a thousand times a day I swear lol.

[Ziggy]

I second your opinion. I was shocked to see Hook get so much crap. But I love it, and I even think it holds up well as an adult today. You didn't see Dustin Hoffman play Captain Hook, you saw Captain Hook. Probably one of his best performances in my opinion, and I'm a big fan.

They also had a pretty good line of action figures for the movie, I remember having them as a kid. And yeah, this is the gold standard for Captain Hook performances in my book.

I had someone tell me that they were watching a documentary on Spielberg movies and they just skipped over Hook. I get the impression that Spielberg doesn't like this movie. Rotten Tomatoes critics give is a score of 28%, but the audience score is 76%. That always cracks me up. It's like critics are snobs, "No, no, no! You're not suppose to like this movie!"

Another thing that helped prince of thieves was that Bryan Adam's theme song the radio's played a thousand times a day I swear lol.

I was more of a fan of All For Love, which was Bryan Adams, Sting, and Rod Stewart for The Three Musketeers (1993). That's another movie that gets a low critic score but a higher audience score. And another early 90's movie that I love. Again with a great cast with some awesome performances. Charlie Sheen, Kiefer Sutherland, Oliver Platt, Chris O'Donnell. Also, Tim Fucking Curry! This is another movie that baffles me why some people hate on it.

[RCBH928]

Hook was directed by Steven Spielberg and composed by John Williams. I've never seen a bad movie with this combination. The score is fantastic. On top of that, it has a great cast. Robin Williams as Peter Banning / Pan, the only person that could possibly play this part. Dustin Hoffman as Captain Hook, which I think gave an amazing performance. Bob Hoskins as Smee (who would later play this character again in an unrelated Pan movie) who also gave a great performance. Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell, which I've heard some criticism for but I never thought it was bad (maybe not great, but definitely not bad). Maggie Smith as Granny Wendy, which most people these days would know for her part in Harry Potter. I've never seen any Harry Potter movies, but I love her in Hook and Sister Act. Dante Basco as Rufio, who would later do the voice of Zuko in Avatar: The Last Airbender (and another minor role in The Legend of Korra). Phil Collins has a bit part as a police detective..

Wow, I guess I had a really wrong impression. A 40 year old Robin Williams just didn't click with me as Peter Pan, I didn't know it was supposed to be a sequel to the story and I thought it was Peter Pan film adaptation of the animation by Disney.

Rotten Tomatoes critics give is a score of 28%, but the audience score is 76%. That always cracks me up. It's like critics are snobs, "No, no, no! You're not suppose to like this movie!"
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I guess generally speaking, art has 2 scales : People liking and artist criticism. I usually go for what people like, I don't want to dip deep in philosophical analyzations and comparisons of achievements. If people like "Jump Around" by House of Pain then they like it, it doesn't have to be Beethoven 9th symphony. Not to contradict myself, but I have seen some real trashy being really popular some ex. The Kardashians... not sure if their tv show or any work they do is considered art.

[marurun]

I guess generally speaking, art has 2 scales : People liking and artist criticism. I usually go for what people like, I don't want to dip deep in and philosophical analyzations and comparisons of achievements. If people like "Jump Around" by House of Pain then they like it, it doesn't have to be Beethoven 9th symphony. Not to contradict myself, but I have seen some real trashy being really popular some ex. The Kardashians... not sure if their tv show or any work they do is considered art.

Paradoxically, this is why reviews are so important. Yes, reviewers do tend to approach things from a slightly higher-minded place, but if you know a couple reviewers and their predilections well, you can often discern from their review whether you'll like something or not, even if your take doesn't agree with theirs. The way I see it, a good movie reviewer forms a relationship with their audience, and it's not that you'll like everything they like so much as you come to learn WHY they like what they like. And even if they don't like something they'll still tell you enough about the movie to be able to decide for yourself. One critically-panned but audience-loved comedy is not going to be the same as another, and having a good relationship with a reviewer's output can help you tell the difference between the two.

[PretentiousHipster]

A good review is one where you have some idea whether or not you'll like the film without even considering the opinion of the reviewer. The reviewer should be subjective with his facts, but provide some insight and should say what kind of people would like this, if anyone might enjoy it.

I like to exercise my brain, so artsy stuff can be my jam. That being said, there's a lot better art in hip hop that are better and more in-depth than Beethoven, who isn't nearly one of the best classical composers out there. I love my artsy films, but I also love some trash, but I find stuff like direct to 90s vhs action films to be much better than stuff that people are nostalgic for. Can't get into Spielberg at all tbh, but Duel is a masterpiece.

[o.pwuaioc]

I like to exercise my brain, so artsy stuff can be my jam. That being said, there's a lot better art in hip hop that are better and more in-depth than Beethoven, who isn't nearly one of the best classical composers out there.

I don't know what you're smoking, but I don't want any of it. Virtually every expert recognizes Beethoven's greatness in composition, and even if one does not like it, no one else so single-handedly altered the direction of music before or after. That has to be a statement born truly out of unfamiliarity with his oeuvre.

TC Poll: Beethoven beating out Bach: https://www.talkclassical.com/24525-gre ... poser.html
NY Times critic: Beethoven #2 behind Bach: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/arts ... osers.html
Additionally, third or fourth place in three other prominent critics: https://www.wqxr.org/story/110230-ten-g ... -suspects/
Classical-Music.com: Beethoven #3 behind Bach and Stravinsky: https://www.classical-music.com/feature ... -all-time/
Named first on Britannica's 10 Classical composers one should know: https://www.britannica.com/list/10-clas ... rs-to-know

Thought from Charlotte Symphony's music director, who placed Beethoven #1: (https://www.charlottesymphony.org/blog/ ... -composer/)

Like many other great composers, Beethoven altered the course of music history. His radical and revolutionary composition techniques aided in ushering in the Romantic Period. Beethoven broke from and expanded traditional musical forms, expanded instrumentation, and pushed performers of his music to the brink. He also had a knack for taking a theme and hiding it in a piece for the listener to experience again and again. Beethoven's harmonic explorations keep audiences on the edge of their seats, and I for one particularly enjoy the unpredictable nature of his symphonies.

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I place Beethoven at the top for his innovativeness, passion, and ability (in my opinion) to have an impact on every composer that followed him.

A healthy mix of amateur, professional, and critical opinion, and all that from merely searching for "greatest composer" in Google, without mentioning Beethoven's name, and all on Google's front page.

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Well, this has gone a weird direction.

[PretentiousHipster]

Western classical composers that I prefer over Beethoven: Iannis Xenakis, Glenn Branca, Horațiu Rădulescu, Hermann Nitsch, Lukas Rickli, Hildegard von Bingen, Luigi Nono, Johann Sebastian Bach, Erik Satie, Julius Eastman, Leo Ornstein, Sofia Gubaidulina, Igor Stravinsky, Francisco Guerrero, Steve Reich, Arvo Pärt, Karlheinz Stockhausen, and John Cage.