Homosexuality

[Forlorn Drifter]

[Flake]

what exactly makes those teachings moral, right and justifiable? Is it the simple fact that God is more powerful than we are? Does it really just come down to a case of might makes right? What makes God any different than a traditional monarch or dictator, but without a figurehead for the public to turn on?

This is where you begin to get into "argument from evil" territory. The question is "why does God allow evil to happen?" and the answer to that question leads to debates of the existence of free will versus the omnipotence, omniscience, and benevolence of God.

"God moves in mysterious ways" is terribly cliche but you have to allow for the paradox in order to have this conversation without it turning into a conversation about the existence of God. You have to assume that if there is a God, we cannot understand Him, Christians and non-Christians alike.

[BoringSupreez]

what exactly makes those teachings moral, right and justifiable? Is it the simple fact that God is more powerful than we are? Does it really just come down to a case of might makes right? What makes God any different than a traditional monarch or dictator, but without a figurehead for the public to turn on?

This is where you begin to get into "argument from evil" territory. The question is "why does God allow evil to happen?" and the answer to that question leads to debates of the existence of free will versus the omnipotence, omniscience, and benevolence of God.

"God moves in mysterious ways" is terribly cliche but you have to allow for the paradox in order to have this conversation without it turning into a conversation about the existence of God. You have to assume that if there is a God, we cannot understand Him, Christians and non-Christians alike.

Actually, the Bible says we can't ever fully understand God in this life, because it's just beyond what we can comprehend. I rather like it though.

It's not that bad (yet).

[Flake]

Actually, the Bible says we can't ever fully understand God in this life.

I gotcha but what I was saying was for the benefit of non-bible versed. Since we are not discussing if God exists but instead the implications of homosexuality, I thought it was a good idea to head that discussion off at the pass.

[emwearz]

I am not a religious person in any sense of the word, I do not believe in a god a heaven, etc. I think Homosexuals are people and should be able to do what makes them happy in life, if no one is getting hurt, then let them be happy.

My question to the 'religious people' on the forum, how does someone else 'sinning' effect you? If you believe they go to hell, what business is it of yours if they choose to do that?

Why the need to interfere in peoples business by voicing words of hate 'I don't like homosexuals','I think it is wrong', etc.

Does the Bible state you should insult and slander anyone who does not agree with it?

If you are American, how does it internally conflict with your liberties and freedoms as an American, do homosexuals not have the right to pursue happiness?

If you are married or have a loved on, who are you to say that your love is more pure than that of someone else? Because they love someone of the same sex?

To those who say being gay is a choice, you have never been in love. I love my partner more than anything in the world, she makes me the happiest I believe I can ever be. I never had a choice in how I felt, if I felt that way about another man, I would not care, I would go for that love, because it is what would make me happy. You can not decide who you love.

There are some people who say that they embrace homosexuality, and say that marriage is a religious state and as so we should follow the Bible (or whatever readings you follow). Much like many aspects of society, marriage is not defined by religion anymore, homosexuals do not need to step into churches to get married, the same way I would never step into one to get married. How can you claim they are defiling churches, etc, when it has close to nothing to do with them anymore.

When you take (or believe it is appropriate) someones rights away (Or deny them them something) purely because of a belief, you are no better than the racists, bigots and others who have caused some of the biggest acts of evil the world has ever seen. When you hide behind a religion for your beliefs we have seen in the past what comes from it.

I rambled on, but my 2c.

Beastie Boys said it best. "If you learn to love, then you might love life".

[sabrage]

If the basic conceit of every argument against homosexuality is that "it's a sin", then the only thing I'm interested in knowing is: Why is it a sin?

[Forlorn Drifter]

It's not that bad (yet).

I'm not risking it. We've been getting in to questionable subject matter ever since we touched upon religion... now we're going too far, and I beleive it should be called off, with everybody keeping their current stance, and not to be brought up again. We have no need to.

[sabrage]

I'm not risking it. We've been getting in to questionable subject matter ever since we touched upon religion... now we're going too far, and I beleive it should be called off, with everybody keeping their current stance, and not to be brought up again. We have no need to.

If you don't want to discuss contentious subject matter, it might be best not to base your argument upon it.

[emwearz]

I'm not risking it. We've been getting in to questionable subject matter ever since we touched upon religion... now we're going too far, and I beleive it should be called off, with everybody keeping their current stance, and not to be brought up again. We have no need to.

If you don't want to discuss contentious subject matter, it might be best not to base your argument upon it.

[Forlorn Drifter]

I'm not risking it. We've been getting in to questionable subject matter ever since we touched upon religion... now we're going too far, and I beleive it should be called off, with everybody keeping their current stance, and not to be brought up again. We have no need to.

If you don't want to discuss contentious subject matter, it might be best not to base your argument upon it.

I never started an argument. I stated my opinion, then others started an argument on the subject. I never even wanted to say it, and wouldn't have, if I had not been encouraged too.