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wclem wrote:All I am saying, Sony gets this, and Microsoft does not. They can give a shit about the marginal person buying a game or two a year. That person cannot afford to waste that money.

Here's the thing; Sony doesn't actually get this. Sony doesn't give two shits about the marginal person buying a game or two a year. What Sony does think is that it's worthwhile to them to enable the guy who buys a new game every month/two weeks by selling the previous game. The marginal person is just dealing with a happy accident on Sony's part.
How many other tangible things can we think of that you can buy and not resell. Regardless of what it is I have a hard time thinking of one. Hell, you could resell used dental floss, nobody would likely buy it, but you are free to try.

The tangible part is the disc. You can resell that, but just like with your dental floss example, in the world of Xbox One you will find very few buyers. But the game itself is not tangible, and it's high time that everyone realizes this. Think of your Xbox One games as being all digital, but Microsoft is willing to still produce physical discs for those who don't have broadband access or bandwidth caps. This is the inevitable future of all things computer-based, as the benefits to companies are far too great, and consumers will buy into it because there is a huge amount of added convenience to the all digital world if the backend is done properly.
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I thought he quit making games.
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MrPopo wrote: But the game itself is not tangible, and it's high time that everyone realizes this. Think of your Xbox One games as being all digital, but Microsoft is willing to still produce physical discs for those who don't have broadband access or bandwidth caps. This is the inevitable future of all things computer-based, as the benefits to companies are far too great, and consumers will buy into it because there is a huge amount of added convenience to the all digital world if the backend is done properly.


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It will probably happen and you are right, it benefits them with a marginal convenience to us. I am hoping that people people are far too smart to pay for something that they dont actually have. A monthly fee for Netflix that gives you a great variety is fine. 60 bucks for a download that is worthless after you play it, might not go over too well. Steam works, but it also offers great discount deals. That helps it be a viable option. Sales on Xbox 360 in my opinion sucked greatly, no where near steam. Seriously, I would pay a monthly fee for variety, Sony absolutely does it right. Fair price with fair variety. It is more a service than buying something that you hope will be available to you 10 years from now. They should really come out and say "Xbox one rental service, 60 bucks and you get it till we shut down the servers." Damn, why would someone buy something that may or may not work 5-10 years from now? What if it flops like the Saturn, and they shut down servers in two or three years?

My thoughts come from my hopes, I will admit that. New ways of merchandising dont always work though. Look at XM radio, to the best of my knowledge it is floundering. Nobody wants to pay for something you get for free. I am hoping that people will not pay for a game that is cheaper when bought used. Look at it this way, it will get to the point where games are not discounted anymore, they will be set in stone and they will all cost the same. If you think otherwise then you are counting on them to take a loss on a sale, they will just forfeit that sale. Think about, is it really that far fetched that there will come a day where nobody will discount games? You get your discounts at retail levels more than anywhere. Some marginal digital discounting from microsoft but how many times have you seen buy one get one free? Just a sad day when you have to pay for something that you dont own. (before anyone says cable, you are paying for a service of having sent to you TV not a singular game)

You are right though, you can sell your game disc for someone to use as a coaster.

We shall see guys, thanks for letting me rant a little. LONG LIVE SONY LOL.
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Steam shows that in the all-digital world we can and will have a lot of sales. Putting titles on sale drives up sales velocity; this is basic retail economics. I think the reason you haven't been seeing good sales on digital versions of PS3/360 games is that they're trying not to alienate the retail markets, while this shift towards all-digital shows that now the console manufacturers are willing to do so. Additionally, once you have a fully-fledged digital service up and running the marginal cost of offering Game X along with Game Y is negligible. The cost is all frontloaded into running the service in the first place. So I think it's premature to worry about all games being $60 now that you can't buy used anymore. Plus, you can't discount the large cost of production and distribution of physical copies; that right there makes it easier for digital games to go on sale.
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MrPopo wrote:Steam shows that in the all-digital world we can and will have a lot of sales. Putting titles on sale drives up sales velocity; this is basic retail economics. I think the reason you haven't been seeing good sales on digital versions of PS3/360 games is that they're trying not to alienate the retail markets, while this shift towards all-digital shows that now the console manufacturers are willing to do so. Additionally, once you have a fully-fledged digital service up and running the marginal cost of offering Game X along with Game Y is negligible. The cost is all frontloaded into running the service in the first place. So I think it's premature to worry about all games being $60 now that you can't buy used anymore. Plus, you can't discount the large cost of production and distribution of physical copies; that right there makes it easier for digital games to go on sale.


But Sony does offer great discounts/free games. They are doing right what sounds like Microsoft is gonna do wrong. Back me on this DSH, Playstation Plus is a deal beyond any other offered in the videogame world. I have so many games on there that I will probably die with games I just never got to, as sad as that is LOL.
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That's a selling point for PlayStation Plus over Xbox Live Gold. You're paying into a difference service to get discounts. And PlayStation Plus is much more of a "you don't own your games" than the Steam/Xbox One model is. With Steam, as long as the servers keep running I get to keep playing with only the initial investment to buy the game. With PS+ you have to keep paying the fee to have access to your stuff.

I stand by my statement that we shouldn't judge Microsoft on the sales or lack thereof on the Xbox One based on how the 360 operated; you're comparing digital as a bonus to digital as the primary distribution.
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MrPopo wrote:That's a selling point for PlayStation Plus over Xbox Live Gold. You're paying into a difference service to get discounts. And PlayStation Plus is much more of a "you don't own your games" than the Steam/Xbox One model is. With Steam, as long as the servers keep running I get to keep playing with only the initial investment to buy the game. With PS+ you have to keep paying the fee to have access to your stuff.

I stand by my statement that we shouldn't judge Microsoft on the sales or lack thereof on the Xbox One based on how the 360 operated; you're comparing digital as a bonus to digital as the primary distribution.


When I actually pay for a game, I own it same as Microsoft, but I get great discounts from it and lets just call the free games as limited rentals. Steam is a good service, great prices and worth digital when the cost is good.
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wclem wrote:Back me on this DSH, Playstation Plus is a deal beyond any other offered in the videogame world. I have so many games on there that I will probably die with games I just never got to, as sad as that is LOL.


It is a hell of a deal, yes. BUT for the same $50 a year, I could probably buy a dozen games or more in Steam sales that I definitely want. That's fewer games, but I know what I am paying for and have access that isn't tied to my monthly fee.

That said, I'm very happy with both...but each requires embracing digital distribution and licensing instead of ownership.
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Then reevaluate the pricing and/or don't make games with such huge budgets. That's what other industries have to do when they can't create their own market place rules. The sense of entitlement in the game industry sickens me. In my opinion, for all the complaints about people who illegally download games being entitled, they can't top industry people like this who seem to feel entitled to money for every ounce of enjoyment anyone ever gets out of "their" game.
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