Any Dragon Ball Fans

[BurningDoom]

Oh, I don't know, about 2/3 of the series cut from it. That's all. Voice-over changes as well. The massive editing to make it seem less vulgar and less bloody REALLY bothers me. And it seems really silly, but, Mr. Popo is black. What the heck is wrong with a black character? Why is that edit even necessary?

The 2/3 of the series cut is filler. It's material not present on the manga or overly extended sequences that add nothing.

Mr. Popo is black in the original as well. I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about the Funimation version, it's more neutered than the Japanese one. But even Funimation releases uncut DVDs with all the gore you want.

I know Mr. Popo is black in the original, that's exactly my point. In Kai, he's like this purple color.

And the series was nearly 300 episodes long. They announced that Kai will be 100. That is a TON of material cut from it. No way is that all "filler". You are truly missing a good chunk of the series.

[ZeroAX]

I know Mr. Popo is black in the original, that's exactly my point. In Kai, he's like this purple color.

And the series was nearly 300 episodes long. They announced that Kai will be 100. That is a TON of material cut from it. No way is that all "filler". You are truly missing a good chunk of the series.

Popo is black in Kai as well. And no that was indeed all filler. You have no idea just how much filler Dragonball Z had.

[Czernobog]

Oh, I don't know, about 2/3 of the series cut from it. That's all. Voice-over changes as well. The massive editing to make it seem less vulgar and less bloody REALLY bothers me. And it seems really silly, but, Mr. Popo is black. What the heck is wrong with a black character? Why is that edit even necessary?

The 2/3 of the series cut is filler. It's material not present on the manga or overly extended sequences that add nothing.

Mr. Popo is black in the original as well. I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about the Funimation version, it's more neutered than the Japanese one. But even Funimation releases uncut DVDs with all the gore you want.

I know Mr. Popo is black in the original, that's exactly my point. In Kai, he's like this purple color.

And the series was nearly 300 episodes long. They announced that Kai will be 100. That is a TON of material cut from it. No way is that all "filler". You are truly missing a good chunk of the series.

I've noticed the English script in Kai (Funimation version shown on television) has received some changes that make villains feel much less evil, something I greatly dislike. Personality has been taken away from some of the characters. I first noticed it with Raditz when he was fighting Piccolo.

I was waiting for that great line when he laughs maniacally and asks if anyone has seen Piccolo's arm. They changed it to "ridiculous you're more pathetic than I thought," a line which is much less sinister than cracking jokes about the injury. I really started to notice the changes though when Vegeta and Nappa got to earth, as Vegeta sounded so much more diabolical in the original script. That's when I stopped watching altogether.

The new intro is badass though. If they cut it down from 300 to 100 episodes and made the edits but changed the animation to that, I would praise the hell out of the series.

[Czernobog]

I know Mr. Popo is black in the original, that's exactly my point. In Kai, he's like this purple color.

And the series was nearly 300 episodes long. They announced that Kai will be 100. That is a TON of material cut from it. No way is that all "filler". You are truly missing a good chunk of the series.

Popo is black in Kai as well. And no that was indeed all filler. You have no idea just how much filler Dragonball Z had.

In the Funimation English dubbed version shown on tv Popo has been changed from black to purple. That's what he's referring to.

[flamepanther]

Don't judge Kai based on the version shown on TV. That's censored due to Nickelodeon standards. The DVD and Blu-Ray versions are not the same at all.

And yes, they have to cut THAT much length out of the show just to match the story and pacing of the manga. There were cases where it took three to five episodes to cover just one chapter of the manga.

[Czernobog]

Don't judge Kai based on the version shown on TV. That's censored due to Nickelodeon standards. The DVD and Blu-Ray versions are not the same at all.

And yes, they have to cut THAT much length out of the show just to match the story and pacing of the manga. There were cases where it took three to five episodes to cover just one chapter of the manga.

I figured as much, but the Nickelodeon version is what I get the most exposure to, as I'm not going to pay for the Blu-Rays or DVDs when I already have the DVDs of the original series, and the episodes I see available to watch online are the Nickelodeon edits, and I much prefer the English voice actors.

Out of curiosity, do you know if the changes to the English dub script are present in the DVD/Blu-Rays, as those are what I have the biggest issue with. I actually quite like the pacing they've managed to achieve in Kai. (although we do lose some fun character development albeit minor)

Also, young Gohan's new English voice annoys the hell out of me. (I really don't like the Japanese voice actors for most anyone though - especially Goku.)

[jfrost]

And the series was nearly 300 episodes long. They announced that Kai will be 100. That is a TON of material cut from it. No way is that all "filler". You are truly missing a good chunk of the series.

He's black in Dragon Ball Kai.

You're misjudging the series based on the censored version you get on the US. It's not like that.

Also, it's indeed all filler. I'll try to make you understand. It's absurd the amount of filler DBZ had.

Goku running on the Snake Way fills something of the order of 15 episodes. He even falls in hell and has to start from the beginning in the anime. And that doesn't even take into account the training in King Kai's planet. All this process takes a couple of chapters in the manga.

The five minutes Freeza gives until the explosion of Namek are stretched to about 20 episodes. Goku going Super Saiyan takes an entire episode as well. In the manga it takes one panel.

Even the action sequences are repeated to exhaustion. This scene, when Freeza's and Goku's arms clash, is repeated dozens of times. Piccolo and Supreme Kai staring at each other at the martial arts tournament takes a whole episode. In fact, staring contests are very common.

Everything in the anime is overstated to fill air time. While in the manga the Super Saiyan transformations are instantaneous, in the anime, normally the world is practically destroyed before a character can get his blond hair and golden aura. The Super Saiyan 3 transformation takes forever, for instance, it even blacks out the sky, destroys buildings of cities very far away, and causes lightning storms.

All of this is not even taking the "original" episodes in consideration, like the Garlic Jr. arc and the otherworld tournament arc. Or when Gohan and Krillin arrive at fake planet Namek. Or when the Saiyans destroy a random planet on the way to earth and are shown being able to survive in space, even though they shouldn't be. Or the humans training in Kami-sama's lookout. Or... well, you got it I think.

[flamepanther]

Out of curiosity, do you know if the changes to the English dub script are present in the DVD/Blu-Rays, as those are what I have the biggest issue with. I actually quite like the pacing they've managed to achieve in Kai. (although we do lose some fun character development albeit minor)

I haven't spent any time watching the Nick broadcast of Kai, but from what I've read on-line, the dub scripts for the DVDs and Blu-Rays are often VERY different from the censored scripts. There have been lines changed for the broadcast for reasons nobody has even been able to figure out so far.

[Czernobog]

Out of curiosity, do you know if the changes to the English dub script are present in the DVD/Blu-Rays, as those are what I have the biggest issue with. I actually quite like the pacing they've managed to achieve in Kai. (although we do lose some fun character development albeit minor)

I haven't spent any time watching the Nick broadcast of Kai, but from what I've read on-line, the dub scripts for the DVDs and Blu-Rays are often VERY different from the censored scripts. There have been lines changed for the broadcast for reasons nobody has even been able to figure out so far.

Ah, if that's the case I may actually pick up the Blu-Ray's of Kai if I ever see them for cheap down the road.

[flamepanther]

Ah, if that's the case I may actually pick up the Blu-Ray's of Kai if I ever see them for cheap down the road.

I think you'll find it worth it. I've been a fan since the old Saban dub, but I find the series much more enjoyable without all the crap in there to slow it down. Even so, I don't generally watch the dubs anymore, so you might want to do some research online before deciding whether to buy it or not. I'm not qualified to give an opinion on that aspect of it.