I think the Call of Duty bubble will burst soon

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Re: I think the Call of Duty bubble will burst soon

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TSTR wrote:Perhaps that shift could lead to more solid SP focused FPS games in the future? Fine by me.
Did you sleep through this year? Lol, we've had a number of those, and I've been very pleased with the SP in the last the CoDs.
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Xeogred wrote:I forgot about Overwatch, that's another good call. People were ready for change.
TSTR wrote:Perhaps that shift could lead to more solid SP focused FPS games in the future? Fine by me.
I'd say we're already seeing a comeback in 2016. Doom and Titanfall 2 had incredible campaigns. The new Wolfenstein was awesome and I think we're getting a sequel. The "immersive" side is still healthy and going strong with the Deus Ex games, Dishonored 2, and the upcoming Prey sounds absolutely amazing from a lot of things I've heard. System Shock is being remade and I think they plan to make a third one.

As a sci-fi fanboy I was always worried CoD was going to jump into the genre and sour it for me... well, looks like their attempt at it fell pretty flat. Even if I have heard cool things about the IW campaign and would like to check it out, I'm not dropping $60 on that. Still sounds like it has the "infinite" wave of enemies that I think is hot garbage game design and super boring, and that same old engine. etc, so I'm excited to check it out... for a bargain. But yeah I can't imagine Activision will try to hit sci-fi again. The more hardcore fans of the series seemed pretty pissed about it with IW and Black Ops 3.

Annual releases are a sure way to make me stop caring no matter what the IP is. Even if my beloved Zelda, or Metroid, etc, were yearly, I would lose interest and go elsewhere. Assassin's Creed is always the funniest example for me, since I thought the first one was very flawed but had a cool setup, then 2 and Brotherhood were incredible... but now I'm like 10 games behind, so I'm flatout done with the franchise and don't care anymore.

That and locking down three huge development teams solely for CoD... I feel sorry for those teams under Activision. I wonder if we can even fathom how many people are going to walk away from these teams having only worked on CoD for their entire game design career. Sounds like torture haha. But I'm sure some people enjoyed it and are proud of the work they did.
Ah, Assassin's creed is really similar. I have my doubts about the future of that series, too.
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Re: I think the Call of Duty bubble will burst soon

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ElkinFencer10 wrote:
TSTR wrote:Perhaps that shift could lead to more solid SP focused FPS games in the future? Fine by me.
Did you sleep through this year? Lol, we've had a number of those, and I've been very pleased with the SP in the last the CoDs.
Never said there weren't, just saying there could be MOAR. I'm greedy like that :P
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Anayo wrote:Ah, Assassin's creed is really similar. I have my doubts about the future of that series, too.
Good, maybe we can get some Prince of Persia again.
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I'm just really sad about Quake Champions. It looks cool and I might check it out, but seems like they're clearly going for an Overwatch kind of thing only...

I want a Doom 2016 / Wolfenstein The New Order reboot for Quake with an awesome campaign.
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I actually don't agree for a lot of reasons. Judging the performance of the series' largest departure from the series as a whole is not indicative of the series. As for sales they were middle of the road for a title that goes out into space when the majority of fans were happy with the more modern setting.

I also don't feel that the comparison to assassin's creed is fair, as the major differentiation between the two is that one is a consistent series with a cohesive narrative and another is a standalone Shooter. The fault of assassin's creed is lack of consistent director and vision. There is no narrative game plan and therefor it falters in story.

People still want shooters and still enjoy arena style shooters. CS:GO is still a popular title unphased by the hero-based shooters.

The problem with guitar hero/rock band was that the gameplay was almost 100% unchanged and amidst the transition into digital content. You need to really shake things up to be relevant and thosee games could do nothing to garner more attention.
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Re: I think the Call of Duty bubble will burst soon

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I know I'm kind of out of touch with the series, but personally I hope you're right and it craters. It caused an entire generation to jump on board the FPS so much that it threw so many fun and viable experiences into the company budget offices trash can or dumper distro though digital only with lesser effort. It has been a curse. It's not like FPS did it before, look what DOOM and years of clones did, but at least back then it didn't strangle all the other types of games.

I was on board back when it was in WW2, and I will admit I was fairly into the first Modern Warfare, bought and disliked a lot the sequel. I wrote them off other than World at War, and later Ghost and also that 60s throwback of awesome with the attempted Castro hit in Black Ops one.

When it went all modern or future and further future it just sucked more progressive arse. Can't say I was not smiling seeing diminished sales of the franchise, MOH too among the other trendy ones. It's not so much CoDs or FPS fault, but they're money makers, easy ones, so no risk puts them on top for yearly spit up, just like Assassins Creed and a few other titles. It's the studios going into huge budgets to out flash each other and living on a thread where one bad game means bankruptcy proceedings.

If anything I'd like to see the big budget model die a horrible death, even if it makes taking out some big name companies to get the point across. Perhaps it will given the encroachment of the Android and Apple formats and how nice some of those games have looked the last couple years (and how well played using a bluetooth gamepad.) Maybe more people will jump on board for $5-20 experiences and wreck these people. Force the console and PC game makers to be more small budget minded, good resources, good design to pull people back in, resurrect more creativity. You see these projects on GoG and Steam pop up from both pop up studios/loners and some notable names and they bleed quality and the sales show it too. Don't see them whining about budgets and going broke.
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Xeogred wrote:I'm just really sad about Quake Champions. It looks cool and I might check it out, but seems like they're clearly going for an Overwatch kind of thing only...

I want a Doom 2016 / Wolfenstein The New Order reboot for Quake with an awesome campaign.
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Tanooki wrote:I know I'm kind of out of touch with the series, but personally I hope you're right and it craters. ... Can't say I was not smiling seeing diminished sales of the franchise, MOH too among the other trendy ones. ... If anything I'd like to see the big budget model die a horrible death, even if it makes taking out some big name companies to get the point across.
Wow, that's some big bundle of negativity, there. From what I've heard some of those big budget titles are pretty good, even if the market's a little saturated. I prefer more choice to less. The current dominance of AAA games is fading, though, so maybe big budgets will persist, but as slightly more modest affairs. Maybe this will give rise to AA games as a mainstream replacement. And while in the short term many people have defected to indie games, there's trouble afoot there as well. There was a boom, and now there's a bubble, and it will not be long before that bubble bursts on the indie game market. Japanese devs are also feeling the pain, especially on their home turf. The truth is, there's more than enough trouble to go around in the games market right now. But I don't wish any of that ill wind on any company or market. Nobody making a particular type of game I don't want has ever stopped other folks from making stuff I do want.
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Yep, all aaa games are the empire and fps games are their death star.
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