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Re: Looking for a new gaming PC - Is this good?

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Cronozilla wrote:


First is preferences (If you have none, that's fine):
Intel or AMD <- Intel
AMD or Nvidia <- Nvidia
Size, Normal ATX kind of tower, or Smaller form factor like MicroATX or MiniITX (If you haven't assembled a computer before, ATX is what you should use.)

Do you need a copy of Windows? <- no thanks

What resolution do you want your games to run at (1080P? Higher?) <- Just 1080P

Do "need" the games maxed? <- no, not maxed but running on high performance and still look good at least, not at the minimal.

Do you need controllers, or input devices, a monitor? <- what I really want to do is like a laptop, just grab an HDMI cable and it will automatically hook up to my television as if it is the monitor. Also, I do'nt need any controllers, I use a PS3 controller.

How much do you want the box to cost? <- could you tell me what the "box" is? are you talking about the tower? I never thought of a budget of how much they should cost.

How long does it need to last without additional investment or replacement? <- like my other laptops and towers, I'm going to say 3 years where if games came out before that, they'll at least play them mediocre to medium-low standard.

If you want to answer that stuff I can toss up a tentative parts list that should, at the least, get you started. I'm sure others will chime in at that point too.

And the materials online about how to assemble a PC are very in depth and go step by step. If you get to that stage, I, and others, will undoubtedly offer those materials.

By the way, sorry if some of my choices with the intel and Nvidia aren't the best choices, all I know is that my last set of computers had both Nvidia and Intel so I chose those based on having them in the past as well as doing a quick 1 minute google search.
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Here is a reply I made to Oxymoron's post regarding a potential PC build.

This build is slightly more expensive than your budget of $600. This one clocked in at around $677. But, he had to use Amazon exclusively, and some of the parts were more expensive on there compared to Newegg.com. So, you could shave a little bit off by using a different vendor. I tried to justify my reasoning behind each part. Hopefully this helps your decision.

I just thought I'd throw my $.02 in here on the build.

Case:
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Gaming-T ... tower+case

CPU:
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-4670K-Qu ... ords=4670k

GPU:
http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-GTX750TI- ... TI-OC-2GD5

Motherboard:
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-1150-D-S ... -B85M-DS3H

HDD:
http://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-Desktop-H ... e+WD10EZEX

RAM:
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix ... +DDR3+1600

PSU:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-80PLUS-Certi ... s=550w+psu

This comes in at approximately $677. I know you said you had a credit of $650, but this build gets you some high quality parts. The only part I'm not crazy about is the motherboard. It is a barebones board that offers just enough for your needs. If I were to build a gaming PC that didn't have to be super high end, then I would buy all of these parts expect the board. I would try to scrounge up another $50 and buy a better quality board with some overclock features (since the 4670K has an unlocked multiplier and is made to support overclocking). With that said, you will still get great performance with the board I listed. The MoBo doesn't really add or remove much in terms of performance. Some chipsets are faster than others and support more or less USB and SATA ports, but that is about it.

I'm an Intel and Nvidia guy. I feel as though they offer the best performance and longevity. Without the need to upgrade as often to meet the needs of current software / games. Admittedly, AMD GPU's offer better performance for the money. However, I have personally had bad luck with AMD GPU's. I recently spent $800 on two R9-290's, got them in the mail, immediately installed them and literally got no picture on my monitor. I knew the PC was booting because I could hear the Windows welcome tune as well as POST beeps and such. After hours on the phone with XFX, the manufacturer of the cards and EVGA, the manufacturer of my MoBo, both concluded that the cards should work, but they don't. I returned them, bought two GTX 760s installed them and started gaming immediately. This is just my experience. I will probably revisit AMD again in the future when I upgrade two a new platform and see if I have better luck.

So, the reason I chose that specific GPU is because for approximately $150 you get a GPU that has a very low TDP, so it puts off very little heat and uses very little power. Also, this card is capable of running most modern games at 1080p with high setting, at frame rates well above 30, which is considered the minimum acceptable number.

The CPU I chose has shown over time that it will run games at the same benchmarks as higher-end i7 CPUs. Basically there is a point where CPU's stop affecting gaming performance and this CPU is the one that hits that point. Anything above this CPU's capabilities are meant for high level multi-tasking.

The RAM is fast, high density sticks from a big name in the PC industry. That's about it. Also, since you get 8GB from two sticks, you have room to expand later.

The PSU is a low wattage, but is a quality piece which I have used in the past. EVGA has excellent quality and customer service.

The HDD is standard fare. 1TB from Western Digital. Not an SSD, but your budget didn't really allow that for what I would consider priority. However, I would upgrade to an SSD sometime. You will see a gigantic jump in speed and performance.

The case is just a standard Mid-Tower case from Rosewill, which is a budget brand, but they actually make good quality products. This case has plenty of air flow and it's not too hard on the eyes.

The Motherboard is the only item I feel is a compromise. Like I mentioned above, if this were my build I would try to find a little extra money to buy a better unit. Gigabyte is a brand that is the top of mid-tier companies. They make nice products that are comparable to the higher end brands like EVGA and ASUS. This motherboard uses the B85 chipset that limits its available USB and SATA ports. As well as the number of PCI-e slots it can have. In this case it's one PCI-e 3.0 x16 ports and a second PCI-e 2.0 x4 port. This limits the usage to one GPU and a second low speed PCI-e device. The last limitation of this board would be the BIOS options for overclocking. This isn't important to some folks. Most people will never use those features. But since the CPU I listed is capable, if not made with overclocking in mind, then why not get a board that can support that capability? Again, I want to stress, that this board will be just fine for this build and will not hinder your ability to play games in any way.

This is just my idea of a good $650 build. It went slightly over, but I think the extra $25 or so would be completely worth it.
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Re: Looking for a new gaming PC - Is this good?

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Links are busted, Frag.
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TSTR wrote:Links are busted, Frag.


Weird, apparently quoting breaks links.

Here, try clicking the links in my post in Oxy's thread.

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=47402&start=20
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Re: Looking for a new gaming PC - Is this good?

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Frag Mortuus wrote:
TSTR wrote:Links are busted, Frag.


Weird, apparently quoting breaks links.

Here, try clicking the links in my post in Oxy's thread.

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=47402&start=20


Thanks for your help guys, I think what I am going to do is give it a little more time and wait. After talking to some tech people around here in Michigan, this guy from Mount Pleasant is considered to be at the top of his craft and specializes in gaming computers. I contacted him and he told me that depending on how powerful I want my computer will depend on me. He says that a gaming PC by definition ranges anywhere from 2-5k for what he builds. I asked him details for his website, but his website doesn't show the details.

He's talking about making the computer cooler such as water cooling and things that that are foreign to me with gaming computers. I am an old school gamer, but as soon as this semester finishes up and I receive my bachelor's degree and hopefully get a decent living wage, I might as well get a computer that will last me for what I like. I mean the PC games that my Vaio laptop was playing were doing alright until the short came along and anything that shows 3D shuts it right off.

This is the website, it won't show too much detail because he said he does all that in person. Shame to because I would have showed the specs to you guys in a heartbeat:

http://www.gamegocomputers.com/index.html
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Re: Looking for a new gaming PC - Is this good?

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$2000 to $5000? that's obnoxiously expensive. Even if you wanted to build something that could play everything to absolute maximum at the highest framerates and extremely high resolution it wouldn't cost that much. Liquid cooling is very extreme. A lot of people try talking others into doing it because they're really into tweaking their computers and seeing varying increases in performance. But ultimately, if you, personally, don't care ... don't let anyone talk you into something like that.

If you want to get into enthusiast PC gaming, then I'd suggest a build like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($384.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($93.85 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($208.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Arctic MX-4 Thermal Paste ($9.99)
Total: $1556.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-18 19:01 EDT-0400


$1556.76 for this Intel and Nvidia machine. It's a i7 5820K CPU (which is the lowest in Haswell E chips, the highest is about $1K) It can utilize 12 threads at once across six cores. So, it's going to have long legs.

The 770 is going to run everything pretty awesome. The power supply has enough headroom to support a second 770.

The RAM is pretty top of the line, but only $20 or so more than what's commonly used now (and is significantly faster)

The board is pretty spendy, but it's required due to the new CPU, as is a custom cooler that is compatible, those both add quite a bit to the already somewhat expensive CPU.

If someone is going to charge you $1500 or more ... If I were you I wouldn't accept anything below this build. You're otherwise being ripped off. For an enthusiast build, this is a pretty sweet setup. (Also consider for less than $2K, you could put in a second 770 into this machine, it'd be like $1860 or something, and it'd chew anything up completely maxed as several resolutions)

Here's a couple other options:

Intel Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro (V Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($81.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1015.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-18 19:23 EDT-0400


Runs at about $1015. The only way to lower the price without sacrificing the graphics ability (which is the most important aspect for games), you'd have to start looking at AMD, because at similar prices, the Intel chips just don't perform as well. Getting an i3 instead of a FX 8350 doesn't make a lot of sense.

You can lower the cost if you're OK with giving up Nvidia. AMD GPUs are a bit cheaper, and perform a bit better in most benchmarks. It would get the build below $1000.

AMD Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($81.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $905.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-18 19:33 EDT-0400


This comes up at $905, you could get it sub $900 with an AMD GPU. With that and an FX-8320, you could get it down to $850 or so.

The power supply has enough headroom to SLI the card ... and this board support SLI and Crossfire fully. So, you can choose which ever you want.

This is going to play games virtually identically to the above system ... and you can actually shave the parts some more and push the price down still.

They're going to perform pretty much the same.

If you're aiming at a hard $600, but you want to be able to actually play games at 1080P, this is what I'd suggest:

Budget Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $652.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-18 19:53 EDT-0400


Comes in at $652, is going to perform in games within 5 fps of the previous builds. It has a little less headroom for upgrading (though you can later put in an FX 8350 in it and faster RAM)

It's not sacrificing graphics performance at all. It's going to run everything well above medium settings at 1080P. And is easily the highest performance per dollar you're going to get. This is the only build I've listed that isn't using a white case, because, for quality, you can get black cheaper. The minimum quality white case I found was $100, which is almost $30 more. That would push the entire build up to $682.

You can cut the price down more if you get a R9 270. But it'd still be above $600. There's a bit of a hit to performance too, and it performs better than a GTX 750.

In terms of enthusiast building, there's a lot of options. The initial build I put up is a beast. But you can also build some things in the same price range that solve other problems. If you built a Mini ITX box, for instance, you'd have something about as powerful as the mid-range builds I listed here, in the size of a small VCR form factor. But it comes at a price. It's about $1300 to do it.

You just gotta weigh what you want. What do you want this thing to do? How much are you willing to pay? How long does it need to last without further investment? etc.

Laptops:
A Laptop, we just had this discussion in another thread. It's not the best idea. If it's what you want, that's fine, but a gaming laptop is like just one big compromise that costs more money. For the price of any gaming laptop, you can build a desktop that is leaps and bounds better. (There's also lots of ways of getting your desktop onto a TV throughout your house without moving it)
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Re: *Update* Just came back from Gameco Computers

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Hi everyone, just came back from gameco computers and was hoping you could tell me what you think of these parts and if it's worth the price.

As the post describes, we were talking a while back about having a computer within the budget and how 2-5k for a gaming computer is absurd. I just checked this guy's stuff out and it's one of the biggest, scariest rigs I've ever seen in a cool way 8)

I'm not very knowledgeable with computer parts, my goal was to start with something mediocre and update every so often. He asked me what my budget is and I told him $2,000 ( I know I said 600-1000 so I apologize to all of you) but I just wanted to get him talking and see what he offers and see what your feedback is at this updated range. This is what he told me what is offered around the $2,000 range. I'll send some pictures of the hardware that he uses. He told me to write this stuff down for you guys to take a look at.

The guy has his own custom cooling which looks really awesome.

Case: Nzxt Full sized tower
Power Supply 600 watt EVGA ( he made the 750 optional, but I can imagine that will cost another $500 >.< )
Mother Board: Asus P9X79 Deluxe or Maximus VI Formula
Processor: Corei5 or Corei7-4771 LGA1150
Ram Memory: 16-32gig
Hard Drive: 500GB-1TB-solid state
DVD ram drive
Custom Liquid Cool
Windows 7

Here are the pictures as well. Thanks for taking the time to look at all of this. Take a look at this guy's custom cooling, it's pretty cool looking!

http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Adam_G ... t=3&page=1
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I don't see a graphics card anywhere in your post

also 16-32 gigs of ram is over kill.

I think you should spend around 700-1000$ and then just buy another new pc in 5 years
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Re: *Update* Just came back from Gameco Computers

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ZeroAX wrote:I don't see a graphics card anywhere in your post

also 16-32 gigs of ram is over kill.

I think you should spend around 700-1000$ and then just buy another new pc in 5 years


I think you have a point, in my mind what I would like to do is spend money on the parts that will last which would be the tower itself and the liquid cooling and fans. And then for the hardware, I'm thinking of starting with something not so powerful.

Whatever I get for that range will be far more powerful than my Sony Vaio laptop which is 5 years old and still packs a wallup for what I do today, but it's out of date and there's a short that makes it unplayable for video games so it's only for the office.

I'll probably get this tower to start off with, some memory to have a good enough selection of games. The rest I'll see what I can work with. I want that awesome custom cooling though, lol >.< unless that degrades too quickly.

http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/34-phantom

This is his facebook page for anyone interested

https://www.facebook.com/GameGoComputersLLC

I know some of you guys were telling me that there are websites that specialize more in hardware. Would any of you know of any that I could ask questions?
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AdamGomez1987 wrote:
ZeroAX wrote:You can also try asking in a PC hardware forum. Those goes know their stuff better and will probably be "more excited" to help.


thanks, would you know of any?

reddit.com/r/pcmasterace has some stuff
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