Gamer Gate

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I kind of liked that Racketboy didn't have a thread about this topic, it seemed like the only place that didn't. All right, here's how I see it.

There is a sizable divide between the gaming press and their readers and both sides tend to heavily distrust each other. Readers think reviewers are corrupt, biased and unprofessional and the press thinks their readers are dumb, ignorant and sexist. There was a lot of hate being built up and once game journalism got heavily involved into feminism and generally became very upfront about its surprisingly monolithic left-wing American politics and ideals I knew it was going to blow up sooner or later. EDIT: Also, Divinity: Original Sin had its cover image censored so as to add more clothing, IIRC.

And so when an excuse was given, everything exploded. Quinn was an obvious face but the problems and concerns are deeper than any particular person.

BoneSnapDeez wrote:When/where is this actually happened?
It's not very common but both Tomb Raider (2014) and Hotline Miami 2 were self-censored before released after complaints were made before the games were released. In both cases, scenes that tackled rape (well, as much as you can tackle rape without actually having any rape occuring) were removed.

There have also been similar controversies for, well, practically all games made during the last ten years. The new Castlevania was seen as sexist, the new Far Cry 4 is seen as homophobic and god knows what game will see complaints before being released next. I even wrote an article about it because it's so prevalent, I think you read it (IIRC).



I actually wrote an article on journalistic distrust which I wanted to share with you guys because I felt it was an interesting topic but when this whole topic started I decided to wait.


By the way, anyone who tells you "Gamergate" is about this or that specific thing is wrong. This is a difuse non-movement with who knows how many anonymous sides and it has no clear goal or politics.
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To reference an old meme, gamers get the gaming journalists they deserve, but not the ones they need.
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as someone who closely follows and often writes about game culture and the issues surrounding "gamer gate" i nonetheless found it impossible to give a fuck about any of it.
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I've been following this since it broke. As someone with a BA in Print Journalism who intended to go into gaming journalism (and even dabbled in it on a small scale), it's something that interests me far more than Gerstgate and Doritosgate.

While those particular controversies only affected one major news source, there's very few major news sources that aren't affected by this particular controversy. This makes it very hard for anyone who gives a shit about gaming journalism. When Gerstmann got fired, we all knew to just never go to GameSpot ever again. With this... it's hard to know where to turn.

The shit going on with indie developers is far worse, honestly. Rigging award elections to favor certain games is pretty huge, especially when the founders of the event benefit from the sale of those games such as Fez and Antichamber.

Still, there's not much that can be done with that. A level of transparency is not required for the indie development scene. It IS required for journalism, and THEY should have investigating the issues surrounding the indie development scene rather than ordinary citizens.

That's all I'll say on it here, though. This whole controversy seems to be getting under everyone's skin so I'll stick to discussing it in the one place I've been where a lot of people are interested, conversations move at a steady pace and the mods don't want to censor the discussion.
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Who here has said they want to censor the conversation?
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retrosportsgamer wrote:Who here has said they want to censor the conversation?
I think he means that on other sites forums (Reddit and places) the mods started heavily deleting comments on the Quinnspiracy subject.

I followed this a bit but when people like MovieBob over at Escapist started declaring some kind of war against "Gamers" I stopped. Too many hashtags!
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It's definitely an interesting situation, and one I most definitely saw coming, being utterly sick of reading about how Princess Toadstool and Zelda reinforce negative stereotypes about women. There has been a lot of over the top feminist-centric crap concerning women in both retro and modern gaming, - even here on Racketboy we have several threads dedicated to it. I think it's great that there has been some backlash from people who want feminist extremists to take a long walk off a short pier.
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dsheinem wrote:as someone who closely follows and often writes about game culture and the issues surrounding "gamer gate" i nonetheless found it impossible to give a fuck about any of it.
Same. I feel like I should care more, but I tried to read a few articles about this and just got confused as hell. Too much meta, too many references to people I should(?) know but don't, an overabundance of e-drama horseshit, not to mention the fact that my eyes tend to glaze over whenever I see a mention of "4chan" or "reddit."

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