If you buy an Xbone, you should lose the right to vote

[Erik_Twice]

Now that I have your attention let's be more reasonable.


First, I believe the Xbone is in direct violation of the most basic privacy rights. Being actively monitored without any semblance of privace while playing is simply not admissible. It's not okey to wiretap my phone conversations, it's not okey to record what websites I visit and it's not okey for the Xbone to monitor me.

If I don't allow my goverment to tap my phone without a warrant, I surely don't allow Microsoft or the goverment of the US to do so (Who may I remind me you claims jurisdiction of all the data Microsoft may gather). A product in violation of such privacy rights should simply not be allowed to exist.

In fact, I don't need to disallow it because the laws of my country, the European Union and even the US itself disallow the kind of product the Xbone is.


Second, it's a direct violation of the most basic costumer rights which no product should be. We don't allow lead-based paint, we don't allow for unsafe cars and batteries and we shouldn't allow invasive datamining.

Third. In repeated claims Microsoft has admitted and even boasted about his monitoring being a marketing tool, that they would save our data and store every single possible part of our information so they can profit from it without any transparency whatsoever.

I mean, they dare to say this:

users they “should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features such as voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions offered through the Services.”

Fourth, Microsoft has a long held an anti-costumer position, attemping to smother the secondary market, witholding services without appeal or notice, attemping to enforce EULAs taking away our very basic right to sue them and other general douchebaggery of a high enough caliber so that trusting them not to be the biggest douches they are reeks of stupidity.


All of which only lead to a single conclusion: The Xbone should not exist and anyone who buys it is pissing away their own rights in order to have access to video games.

Is Norris saying that the xbone is some evil microsoft spying device? And does he know the internet just heard him say that?

Excuse me, but Microsoft themselves are saying that it's a spying device that will monitor your conversations for datamining purporses. There's no conspirancy here, it's out in the open.

[Frag Mortuus]

Yeah, this is a little ridiculous. M$ wrote numerous times how the data was anonymous and that it is destroyed. Also, it was mentioned above that M$ is treating XBL communications as public space. Just like my work emails, PSN communications, and just about every other form of communications these days seems to be. The only time I assume communications are private is when using my cellphone (but as we know that isn't completely private) and email. Besides, I have nothing to hide. If the government wants to listen to my friends and I make dick and fart jokes or give little kids a hard time after schooling them online, so be it. Maybe they will get a laugh or two.

However, I understand the concern. If people role over on something little now, how much will they role over for later. It has to be stopped before it gets out of hand. But, I don't think M$ is out for world domination. Just living room domination.

[Jmustang1968]

No, you are still being ridiculous.

[Frag Mortuus]

I just want to reiterate that anyone who expects any form of privacy when using a massive online communication service like XBL or PSN or Steam or anything of the sort, is a little naive and delusional.

[ZenErik]

Just calling it the Xbone makes it pretty difficult to take you seriously. Consider addressing that.

'Xbone', 'Xbox 720p'. Those are just ridiculous nicknames that fanboys use.

[Luke]

Is Norris saying that the xbone is some evil microsoft spying device? And does he know the internet just heard him say that?

Excuse me, but Microsoft themselves are saying that it's a spying device that will monitor your conversations for datamining purporses. There's no conspirancy here, it's out in the open.

So it is exactly like the internet.

There is next to no privacy in the digital age, and even when I'm on this forum I censor myself. You've got to live like someone is always watching you, or your mistakes and conduct could come back to bite ya.

But at the same time, don't be overly paranoid. If you think red lights turn on and alarms sound at Microsoft headquarters every time someone curses on xbox live, you need to lighten up.

[Luke]

Just calling it the Xbone makes it pretty difficult to take you seriously.

Says "ZenErik".

[Erik_Twice]

No, you are still being ridiculous.

Ridiculous about what exactly? Do you find the idea of "I don't want a corporation to monitor me" ridiculous or do you consider ridiculous people may care about their rights?

EDIT: How the hell does calling it "Xbone" make me a fanboy? It could almost be its official name at this point.

[ZenErik]

Just calling it the Xbone makes it pretty difficult to take you seriously.

Says "ZenErik".

Damn right.

[Ack]

Does Spain have an implicit Right to Privacy in their legal documentation? I'm not mocking General_Norris, I don't know much about the Spanish legal system. In America, a right to privacy is implied but not explicitly stated, so its been the subject of legal battles for years. And there is the question of whether a person is willing to subject themselves to analysis by willingly purchasing a product which does such things.