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noiseredux wrote:Myst (1996)

Cannot get it to install. I'm pretty sure that this is because the installer is 32-bit and I'm on a 64-bit system. There might be a workaround out there?

That's not how it works. 32-bit software will run just fine on a 64-bit system. The only problem you might run into is some bad assumptions made in the code, such as assuming your memory can't get above 4GB and seeing more than that causing an overflow of the variable they're using and thinking you have no memory. What you're thinking about is the 16-bit installers that were still hanging around in the Win95-98 era. The software they're installing might be 32-bit, but they keep using the same version of InstallShield that they had back in Win3.1, so the installer won't run.

Some programs can just be straight copied to your hard drive from the install media. Others need registry entries, and you would need to search for those online. Some programs need to have the contents of the disk uncompressed/extracted from some archive files. If they're zip files (might have a different extension, but the actual format is zip) or another well-known archive type you might be able to do that yourself. Others you would need to see if some kind soul on the internet has done so (a guy did a custom installer for X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter on modern systems).
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MrPopo wrote:
noiseredux wrote:Myst (1996)

Cannot get it to install. I'm pretty sure that this is because the installer is 32-bit and I'm on a 64-bit system. There might be a workaround out there?

That's not how it works. 32-bit software will run just fine on a 64-bit system. The only problem you might run into is some bad assumptions made in the code, such as assuming your memory can't get above 4GB and seeing more than that causing an overflow of the variable they're using and thinking you have no memory. What you're thinking about is the 16-bit installers that were still hanging around in the Win95-98 era. The software they're installing might be 32-bit, but they keep using the same version of InstallShield that they had back in Win3.1, so the installer won't run.

Some programs can just be straight copied to your hard drive from the install media. Others need registry entries, and you would need to search for those online. Some programs need to have the contents of the disk uncompressed/extracted from some archive files. If they're zip files (might have a different extension, but the actual format is zip) or another well-known archive type you might be able to do that yourself. Others you would need to see if some kind soul on the internet has done so (a guy did a custom installer for X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter on modern systems).

A good point, there is a work around on many of the Lucas Arts games which had 16 bit installers. Perhaps the Myst Game files and Registery Entries could be copied from an installed Win XP version, right off its hard drive? I did this for a Lucas Arts Encyclopedia disc set for Win 7 64 bit, changing the INI file to correspond to the correct disc reader letter. Though I'm not sure if it would work for Windows 8 Registery layout.
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MrPopo wrote:
noiseredux wrote:Myst (1996)

Cannot get it to install. I'm pretty sure that this is because the installer is 32-bit and I'm on a 64-bit system. There might be a workaround out there?

That's not how it works. 32-bit software will run just fine on a 64-bit system. The only problem you might run into is some bad assumptions made in the code, such as assuming your memory can't get above 4GB and seeing more than that causing an overflow of the variable they're using and thinking you have no memory. What you're thinking about is the 16-bit installers that were still hanging around in the Win95-98 era. The software they're installing might be 32-bit, but they keep using the same version of InstallShield that they had back in Win3.1, so the installer won't run.

Some programs can just be straight copied to your hard drive from the install media. Others need registry entries, and you would need to search for those online. Some programs need to have the contents of the disk uncompressed/extracted from some archive files. If they're zip files (might have a different extension, but the actual format is zip) or another well-known archive type you might be able to do that yourself. Others you would need to see if some kind soul on the internet has done so (a guy did a custom installer for X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter on modern systems).

A good point, there is a work around on many of the Lucas Arts games which had 16 bit installers. Perhaps the Myst Game files and Registery Entries could be copied from an installed Win XP version, right off its hard drive? I did this for a Lucas Arts Encyclopedia disc set for Win 7 64 bit, changing the INI file to correspond to the correct disc reader letter. Though I'm not sure if it would work for Windows 8 Registery layout.

If it works on Win 7 it should work on Win 8. As far as I know all the new registry stuff relates to Modern apps, so desktop apps should be fine.
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noiseredux wrote:Dragon's Lair (1993)

Cannot install it. I tried using DOSBox, but just get an error message that says "illegal command." Has anyone had any success with this one?


Sounds like other people have the same issue:

http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=923&letter=D

Do you have the latest version of DOSBox?
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noiseredux wrote:Call of Duty: Game of the Year Edition (2003)

Install no problem. Need CD key. Runs in full screen and looks great.

Good idea for a thread. I can also report the same version of COD installed and ran well on a Vista machine (mine) as well.
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noiseredux wrote:Myst (1996)

Cannot get it to install. I'm pretty sure that this is because the installer is 32-bit and I'm on a 64-bit system. There might be a workaround out there?


The original release of Myst for Windows was for 3.1, so it may have issues running anyway (and needs to be in 256-color mode, etc).

I have Masterpiece Edition (redone in the XP-era with 24-bit color/etc, still a slideshow) and RealMyst (the looks-better-actually-3D one) via Steam and both start up without issue.
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Maybe we could make a more generalized "old games on newer computers" thread. I have a bunch of DOS and Win 95/98 stuff I could report back on but I have Win 7, not 8.
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:Maybe we could make a more generalized "old games on newer computers" thread. I have a bunch of DOS and Win 95/98 stuff I could report back on but I have Win 7, not 8.


yeah that would prob make more sense than starting a new Win7 thread.

I only figured to start w/ Win8 because the OS is completely new to me, and I'm not a big fan - though I loved Win7. But yeah feel free to let this thing evolve into a full-on "old games, new OS" thread.
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My understanding is that 64-bit Windows 8 does not support 16 bit Windows apps. Does the version of Myst you're installing require Windows 95? It should say on the box. If not, it's a 16 bit game. One thing that may be useful for you is installing Windows 3.1 in DOSBOX.
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Hatta wrote:One thing that may be useful for you is installing Windows 3.1 in DOSBOX.


How would that work?

I have thought about trying to install some older Win versions as Virtual Machines.
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