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Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:01 am
by Jmustang1968
mjmjr25 wrote:I never planned on a GCN, oXbox or PS2, but bought them all.

I saw no benefit to the Wii, PS3, or 360 and swore i'd never own any of them. I own them all and think the Wii has the best library since the SNES/SATURN.

I have no plans to buy WiiU, PS4, or X1, but in 4 years I bet they're all in this house.

It only takes one good exclusive game or one game yr buddies all want to play either with you or online to make the investment make sense.

Zenerik is spot on.


I am with you on most of this except for the Wii library. It ranks low for me with a few exceptions. But that is another discussion entirely!

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:10 am
by Luke
...and mjmjr25 is also spot on.

I shared my games beaten list with a friend and he said, "Well, sounds like you are having a great 1993". I'll get around to new consoles when I get around to it. I've always looked at new games and consoles as luxuries. The only reason I own Bioshock Infinite is because it was a gift.

For my gaming needs and budget, I don't mind waiting years before I buy a new console or game. Plus, I honestly prefer old school games over new school; too much dicking around in almost every single new game that is released.

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:21 am
by Retronomy
I never really feel any rush to get the new stuff as my backlog is already bigger than I could ever possibly play to completion. It's rare that a new game really catches my eye, but it does happen on occasion. I recently had an excellent experience with Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon. I don't know what the heck Far Cry is about, but blood dragon is just too cool for school.

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:28 am
by fastbilly1
Since I am a Nintendo fanboy I will always be buying their new console, but we havent had it hooked up for a few weeks. But despite me liking the Halo franchise, I will not have a spying device in my house. I have read too much Philip K. Dick to be ok with that.

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:34 am
by Betamax001
I'd like a Wii U, but the library right now is too small to be justifiable for the price. By the time the system hits a price drop, there will be more games out and I might pick one up. What I know about Xbox One I'm a little leery about, and do we know much about the PS4? Not enough for me to care. Most of my major grips are with Microsoft though. I mean seriously paying for Gold so I can watch Netflix? Fuck that noise. Pretty much EVERY electronic device can do Netflix streaming - for FREE. The only reason I got a 360 was because I got it for free with my laptop purchase last summer. I'm glad I got it, and definitely enjoyed it but, the only reason I kept it was for the shmups. I suppose that will be the system to get then eh? Which one has all the good new shmups?

The answer is Dreamcast. :lol:

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:48 am
by BoneSnapDeez
mjmjr25 wrote:I own them all and think the Wii has the best library since the SNES/SATURN.


Agreed.

What initially held me back from the PS3 and 360 was simply the cost (I got the Wii as a gift). The consoles looked enticing, but I wasn't prepared to drop $600 for one machine - I waited until they were $200 each.

This Xbox One I wouldn't even purchase for $150. The Kinect, the multimedia hub design, the always online, the no used games... these factors simply make the console not worth owning in my opinion. I won't buy DRM'ed PC games like Diablo III, the new SimCity, and most Ubisoft titles - I sure as hell am not going to buy a DRM'ed console.

Sure, I'll miss out on a few good games (I bet some decent shmups will be released on the system eventually, maybe a Tales of... exclusive, etc) but as the 3DS, Vita, and Wii U libraries grow bigger and stronger the Xbox One will become increasingly irrelevant. Plus I have tons of retro stuff to play and collect. The possibility of possibly purchasing a VIC-20 or Lynx later this year excites me more than any new console ever could.

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:51 am
by Erik_Twice
There was very little in the previous console generation I found worth playing or owning and my hopes for the new one aren't much better. Is there really any game I see myself paying, tolerating ads and intrusive anti-consmuer practices for?

I wouldn't do it even for many of my favourite games!


Now, the 3DS may be cool if it gets some more games :)

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:30 am
by graffix_13
GSZX1337 wrote:Before I go on my long spiel I'll just say that I'm mostly talking about keeping current. There might be something that'll tip me over into buying an Xbox One or a PlayStation 4. However, I'll be definitely be waiting a looooooooong time before I buy either one. Also, I might buy a Wii-U. It depends on if there's any sort of connectivity features with the 3DS that interest me or if I feel that the Nintendo franchises I grew up are worth revisiting yet again. I'm kind of committed to the 3DS since I bought three games for it before I came to this decision. Lastly, I'm mostly going to talk about the hardware/user experience and no so much about the games.

I purchased a PS3 sometime in June of 2007, received a Wii as a gift in August of 2008, and an Xbox 360.. eh, I don't remember. Until the Wii-U came out, I was pretty current on the game consoles. I had a lot of fun with them, but I think it's time for me to leave. Why? Because it's not the console gaming I grew up with. It used to be that when you played a game on a console, you put the cartridge/disc in and started playing. Additional features such as CD playback were easy to use and didn't get in the way. I'm not just being some nostalgic old man in his twenties, I'm describing consoles as recent as the PlayStation 2 and Dreamcast. When you put a game in a Dreamcast or PS2, the console goes straight to the game. If you want to play a CD, you put a CD in in place of a game. Now, the PS3 and X360 are much more advanced and can do much more, so some simplicity has to go away, but it's just too much. I have to update my PS3's firmware to play some Blu-Rays and I'm forced to update my firmware if I want to watch something on Netflix. Games have to sync with a server to tell me what trophies I've acquired, games sometimes need to be patched, some games even need to be installed before I can do jack shit.

This leads me to my main criticism of modern consoles: All of the installing, patching, syncing, and firmware updates remind me of PC gaming. I feel like I'm getting almost all of the downsides of PC gaming with none of the benefits. I have to worry about DRM, the future of my download purchases, whether I should bother purchasing a certain game used, if features will be taken away, if an update will change/ruin everything, a bunch of stupid bullshit that I didn't have to worry about last generation. That was shit that I associated with PC Gaming, not with consoles. With consoles, it was a matter of simplicity and stability over capability. Now, I just feel a bunch of restrictions and limitations with no sort of benefit in exchange.

Now, I may be mainly focusing on Microsoft and Sony, but you bet your ass that I have some real gripes with Nintendo. Mainly with their Virtual Console. The limitations on Wii Ware are pretty frustrating too. I'll list my main gripes with each of the big three:

Microsoft:
Xbox Live, fuck this. Not only do I have to pay for online play but I have to pay to use Netflix and Spotify on my console even if I already pay for those services?
I've never had mine die on me, but I've had more than a few people tell me how they've purchased at least one replacement console.
The Kinect feels like an addition that should've been part of a new console instead of a later-in-life addition.
The ads on the home screens really piss me off. I'd understand ads in XBL, since I'm going there to download shit, but not on the homescreen of a console I payed for.

Sony (a.k.a. the easy target):
The whole Linux debacle is bullshit and I'm sure we all know about that.
It's not as bad now, but for a while it felt like I had to update my firmware every other time I turned on my console.
I have to wait for a sync operation every time I want to see my trophies. To compare, I can find my Xbox and Steam achievements almost as soon as I earn them. Having to wait gets pretty old.
Of course everyone remembers the whole Sony security breach thing.
The PS3 has the most significant differences between hardware revisions. And by significant, I mean frustrating as we were seeing backwards compatibility being slowly removed between versions.

Nintendo:
Like I said above, the Virtual Console is a joke. To put things in perspective, read this Vintage Computing article.
This goes with the previous gripe, Nintendo's download/backup limitations are infuriating. Sony, Microsoft, and Valve give you backup options and the ability to transfer your games to alternate devices.
The Wii is weak sauce. Most of the games are an eyesore to look at. The games that do look good on the console just have me wishing that they can be ran in HD.

Those are the major gripes. I have a bunch of other smaller complaints towards the big three. It just seems that over the past few years, the negatives have kept building and building with the positives being nearly phased out. With this Xbox One announcement, I think the positives will be completely phased out. I just said "Fuck it!" and am going to setup my media center PC as a Steam Box and play my "TV Games" that way. Most of the games I liked in this generation were sequels of games that have started the generation prior. I don't think I really need to play a tenth Ratchet and Clank game. For the most part, the games that weren't sequels either had PC versions or were game genres that I'd rather play on PC.

I'm not saying that if you buy the Xbox One or the PS4 that you're stupid or even making the wrong decision. I just think that console gaming has finally lost me. I don't need my console to use a printer, to order HBO, or to check the weather. I have a computer, a tablet, and a cell phone to do that. I need my console to be simple, stable, fast, and worry-free. So in conclusion, I think that I'm going to be PC only this generation.


Great post. Hard to argue with anything you said.

However, being the sucker that I am, I'm going to get a PS4. I am a slave to my trophy obsession.

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:40 am
by sevin0seven
...I think i'm done with buying "newer" consoles. the Wii U will be my last console of the next generation wave and i am not even tempted to buy a PS4 nor XBOX One. no point when i have all these great classic consoles in my collections which i'm still buying games for...and playing i may add (long back log). with that in mind of course...i'll probably re-look (PS4, XBOX1, etc) them when their under $100 in the market or if they built a great library by then. that will be a while. :mrgreen:

Re: I Think I'm Done With Consoles

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:06 am
by prfsnl_gmr
I am in the same boat.

I love my Wii - and I agree that it has an amazing library - but I never got around to purchasing a PS3 or Xbox 360. (I am kind of a cheapskate, though, and I still think the consoles are too expensive...I might grab a used one after the new systems are out and the prices drop off some more. The same goes for the WiiU.) I do not have much time for console games these days, however, and my handheld systems get way, way more play. Accordingly, I do not really see my self buying any more "new" consoles. (I will certainly pick up more retro consoles, however...Look out, Intellivision and Atari 7800!) I will probably pick up handhelds as long as they are available, but I honestly think the 3DS and PS Vita are probably the last generation of dedicated handheld gaming devices.

What I really need is now is a small, easy to use emulation box that will play all of my games up through at least the N64/PS1/Saturn era. That would clear out a lot of space under my television and allow me better access to my gaming library. If I had that, I would be pretty much set for life. (Like many of you, I have enough old games to last decades...)

(Also - in prfsnl_gmr's fantasy world - Apple would use its vast amount of cash to: (1) purchase Nintendo; (2) create a great multimedia box that easily syncs with my iPad, iPhone, Wiimote, and any bluetooth controller; and (3) add new and classic Nintendo titles to its app store with prices between $1 and $15.)