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Zing wrote:If you don't care about the "older PC games" part, I'd suggest a Mac Mini. Install Plex, buy a Harmony remote and you are done.
It's hard to beat the Mac mini for the form factor but if you don't care about the size, it's cheaper/better to build your own. See this recent avsforum thread for the pros/cons of a mac mini.
As they come from Apple, A mac Mini cannot:

Play any physical media
Watch or record live TV
Stream content from the computer, to other devices
7.1 Surround over HDMI
5.1 Surround over HDMI (it has limited support over optical/coax)
Bitstreaming over HDMI
Convert HD Video Files on the fly, to stream to other devices
24fps without audio problems

With additional hardware (External HD, External BluRay Drive, USB Tuner) and software (Eye TV, XBMC, VLC), and some tweaking by users (hacks) some of these can be resolved. If you were to spend the time and money, you'd still be left with a Maxi Mac Mini that still cannot do:

7.1 Surround over HDMI
5.1 Surround over HDMI (it has limited support over optical/coax)
Bitstreaming over HDMI
24fps without audio problems
I've been using one as my HTPC for four years now and they work perfectly. Plex is amazing software, and it works natively with the Logitech Harmony remotes, which also work out of the box since Mac Minis have infrared sensors. The Mini has native VNC support if you need to remotely access the desktop. It also has hardware acceleration for video, so you can play 1080p files without any stress.
That's cool that it has a built-in sensor. VNC sucks. I wish Mac had a better remote desktop protocol.
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time to chime in:


No one has been speaking much to the specs of the PC you want to build. If you're going to go with a machine for "older" games, and just HD video type stuff, you might consider avoiding a discrete graphics solution at first anyway.

If I were in your shoes, I'd save some money, and go with an AMD APU solution. These are usually very compact anyway, and it just might get you the performance you want for MAME and stuff.

Now, I can't say how well it would play Street Fighter 4, but I'm actually pretty sure that it sill at least play it. In my opinion, for a non-gaming (other than retro) HTPC build, an AMD APU is hands down the best bang for the buck.

Again, if you're not hardcore gaming, then 4gb of RAM is enough (especially if you're going to run a boot SSD) With RAM prices super low, you can probably get 8gb for cheap too, but on a budget, in a pinch, 4 will work fine.


Really, that's it. Other than picking out a slim case and a power supply, you just need to worry about how you're going to get everything to work together. A discrete GPU can be added later on if you need to. If you go with a slim case design, you have to be mindful of the type of GPU's you can get that are slim design. (You aren't going to be putting a GTX 670 in a slim case)


My current setup is an AMD Athlon X2, with 4gb of the slowest cheapest RAM I could find in a dumpster. (DDR2) A slow ass mechanical HDD with a 40gb capacity, and a GTX 520. With this setup, I can stream and play 1080p no problem (over the network or Blu-Ray). I can play emulators up to PS2 with smooth graphics (no Dolphin) and 95% of the MAME games work perfectly, with the exception of games like SCUD Race that don't run well on any machine. NAOMI and CPS1, 2, and 3 games run smooth as well.

Here is a quick link to the case that I used:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811154087

It's not super fancy, but it gets the job done, and didn't cost much. The black and silver matches the rest of my gear as well.

If you're interested, I'll spec you out some parts really quick if you're looking to build this yourself. Let me know what you think? The only thing I see coming up as a road block is the difference between US and EU money.
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pvt_awol wrote: Here is a quick link to the case that I used:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811154087
Wow, great price!
If you're interested, I'll spec you out some parts really quick if you're looking to build this yourself. Let me know what you think? The only thing I see coming up as a road block is the difference between US and EU money.
You've got me interested as a possible "someday" backburner project.
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I got most of the things sorted out except the most important - what CPU to use.

For now I have decided on most of the things except the CPU/motherboard combo. I have got around 200 euros left.
What CPU/motherboard (micro-ATX) should I go for?

CPU choices : http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/category/SHO ... rozessoren

Motherboard choices : http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/overview/041 ... 1155-Intel

I know the site is in German but the names/stats are pretty easy to understand. Keep in mind I need HDMI out, at least 3 SATA3s, and to be able to use integrated GPU.

Edited multiple times since the links didn't work.
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noiseredux wrote:
If you're interested, I'll spec you out some parts really quick if you're looking to build this yourself. Let me know what you think? The only thing I see coming up as a road block is the difference between US and EU money.
You've got me interested as a possible "someday" backburner project.
Me too, though in my case I've been considering building an HTPC for a while now. Maybe I could send you a PM, pvt_awol?
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I've looked into this a bit in the past -- mainly with the idea of using XBMC most likely. Seems like a really fun and rewarding project. Hell, with the inclusion of LiveTV coupled with Netflix/Hulu I almost wonder if my wife and I could be content enough to ditch cable. I bet if we added a "free over the air" digital antena to the mix we'd be pretty golden.

I think I might test the waters using my spare laptop and if it seems pretty effective then I might consider jumping into the full on project maybe as an "over the Winter" project or something.
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yeah guys, shoot me over a PM if you'd like. Any info I come up with, we can post in this thread if you want for the masses. Sorry for the delayed response. I get super busy at work most days, and I didn't have time to spec things out. But I will today if I get time.

Hateshinai:

I looked at those links that you posted, and it's hard to understand the site for me. LOL. I couldn't actually find the processor on that site that I wanted to spec for you. Basically, I'd like to see you get an AMD FM2 chip. The new "Trinity" branded chips are the sweet spot. Of course, a quad core version is ideal, but you can save a bit by going with a dual core. The one in the link below has the equivalent of an ATI RADEON 7560. This is a Direct X 11 GPU, and should play Street Fighter 4 for you. (It should also handle PS2 emulation and it might even get you some playable frame rates in Dolphin at 1080p) In US dollars, it's about $100:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113281


Any MOBO will work, as long as it supports all of the things you want. I don't know if you are Brand Loyal, but here is a decent suggestion for a mobo. It has HDMI out, optical audio out (SPIDF), PCI-X 16, SATA 6gb/s, and USB 3.0. It's a micro form factor, and is a great choice. The US price is about $75:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157334
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would an older Mac Mini work if I don't care about HDMI? I'm assuming models older than "the new one" can be had pretty cheap, eh? Although, knowing Apple I guess that means a similarly priced Windows HTPC would be even cheaper to obtain, huh?
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if you wanted to pony up a bit more money, you could get this version of the CPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113280

This will give you some ideas on how this performs in some newer games:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10 ... 241-9.html

60fps in Batman AC on High settings @ 720p
45fps in Skyrim on High @ 720p
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noiseredux wrote:would an older Mac Mini work if I don't care about HDMI? I'm assuming models older than "the new one" can be had pretty cheap, eh? Although, knowing Apple I guess that means a similarly priced Windows HTPC would be even cheaper to obtain, huh?

A fresh scratch built Windows PC is going to probably be cheaper than even a used MAC mini (unless you have a hookup). While I have nothing against MAC's, the compatibility kills it. There are hundreds and thousands of emulators, media viewers, codec packs, etc for a Windows based PC. So finding what you need is very easy. Getting everything to work is very easy.

On a MAC, it can be done for sure, but it's going to come with some headaches. Most people throw out the fact that they can run Windows on the MAC if they want (through bootcamp or other) but then, if you're going to run Windows anyway..... you get the idea.

If all you want to do is watch video, and you can get the MAC mini for cheap (like $250 or less?) then that might be a good way to go.
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