2012 SanDiego Comic-Con:The good/bad/ugly thread.

[Xeogred]

TMNT

I'm not sure if I'm just meh or bleh. But anyway....

Ehyeaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

[benderx]

I think Stallone got the worst of all right after comic con pannel.

[AppleQueso]

Dardevil? Nobody wants to see a new Daredevil, Fox.

I do. I don't see what was so wrong with the first Daredevil movie, I thought it was pretty good. I think a lot of people talk trash about it because it's fun to make fun of Ben Affleck.

It's not like this is going to be a sequel to the last one, you know.

[Luke]

Apple, you have to remember that BD liked Green Lantern.

Personally, I like Affleck. He's great in about everything, but no one gave him shit to work with in DAREDEVIL. It's an awful, awful film.

[BurningDoom]

Apple, you have to remember that BD liked Green Lantern.

Personally, I like Affleck. He's great in about everything, but no one gave him shit to work with in DAREDEVIL. It's an awful, awful film.

What exactly was bad about it, though? It had good actors (I mean how cool was Kingpin and Bullseye?), it had good special effects (the radar sense seen was pretty memorable), the atmosphere of the movie was spot-on for a Daredevil movie (dark, depressing, and feeling more vengeful than superhero), and the story was great showing the dual-lives of Daredevil, Elektra, and Kingpin and giving us a helluva crime-story in the mighty Marvel manner. Hell, it even had a good soundtrack.

So again I ask, what was wrong with the movie? The spin-off, Elektra, was TERRIBLE, but I thought they did everything right with Daredevil. Probably doesn't help that Daredevil isn't terribly popular to begin with, though. At first I didn't like the fact that they made Kingpin black, but I got over that real quick when I saw how well Michael Clarke Duncan did in the role.

[Luke]

So again I ask, what was wrong with the movie? The spin-off, Elektra, was TERRIBLE, but I thought they did everything right with Daredevil. Probably doesn't help that Daredevil isn't terribly popular to begin with, though. At first I didn't like the fact that they made Kingpin black, but I got over that real quick when I saw how well Michael Clarke Duncan did in the role.

I hope you know by now that I'm just razzing you about GL. Yes, I do think it is probably one of the worst super hero movies ever, but when I take a jab at you it is more of a friendly elbow.

But since you asked about Daredevil I feel the responsibility to respond. First off, I'll go on the record of saying I looked forward to DD. When I heard it starred Ben A. but wasn't written by Smith, I still didn't write it off. When I saw set pics, I actually thought "this will work". It didn't. It is bad as Elektra in my eyes (and my eyes and ears like Jennifer Garner). It doesn't work on so many levels that I bet dollars to donuts the people at Marvel studios studied DD as "How not to make a superhero movie". I don't even think Daredevil should even be mentioned in the Marvel Movie Library, it's so bad I don't even think it deserves a second viewing.

The script is terrible, the acting so bad that suspension of disbelief is impossible. It's not DD, not Elektra, not Kingpin; it's Ben Affleck trying to be DD, Garner trying to be Elektra, MCD trying to be Kingpin. It's all too phoney, and the movie puts the "special" into special effects. They should have left the wires on.

Daredevil comes off more as a "test" for Marvel Studios than it does a well thought out movie. It's so paint by the numbers that they made a superhero movie exactly what it shouldn't be: tedious and somewhat obnoxious. Although I think SPIDER-MAN had aged terribly, at least I'm not checking my watch and having an inner-monologue that reads "when is this shit going to be over?" (plus in Spidey GG gets stabbed through his dick).

Is it a movie about one of my favorite characters Daredevil? Is it a setup for an Elektra spin off? Perhaps a Kingpin spinoff? Even the writers have no clue.


Daredevil is the Jeep Liberty of movies. It doesn't know what it wants to be, but tries to be everything at once without having a purpose (well, the Jeep Liberty's purpose is mostly to show off you have a 4-wheel drive vehicle that will never see dirt).

I could go on about the story, the line deliveries, the horrible screenwriting, etc., but I won't. It's fun to see your favorite heroes on screen, not so fun to see the core of your favorite character butchered.


The entire script is narrative quicksand, the plot wheezes its way through the movie, every character was unbelievable, and a superhero movie should feature, a superhero doing super things.

[AppleQueso]

I've heard before that the director's cut of Daredevil is actually a really huge improvement over the theatrical version.

If you can ever bring yourself to watching a recut version of that movie, Luke, I'd really like to hear your take on that version.

Burningdoom probably should check out the Director's Cut too. He might walk away liking it even more.

[Luke]

I've heard before that the director's cut of Daredevil is actually a really huge improvement over the theatrical version.

If you can ever bring yourself to watching a recut version of that movie, Luke, I'd really like to hear your take on that version.

Burningdoom probably should check out the Director's Cut too. He might walk away liking it even more.

McIntosh Cheddar,

I would be willing to watch the Director's cut if it was on Netflix. Paying for Daredevil is out of the question. That said, sometimes director's cuts are different movies and if someone wants to loan me a copy, I'd oblige.

Don't think you can fix so much sloppy though.

[BurningDoom]

So again I ask, what was wrong with the movie? The spin-off, Elektra, was TERRIBLE, but I thought they did everything right with Daredevil. Probably doesn't help that Daredevil isn't terribly popular to begin with, though. At first I didn't like the fact that they made Kingpin black, but I got over that real quick when I saw how well Michael Clarke Duncan did in the role.

I hope you know by now that I'm just razzing you about GL. Yes, I do think it is probably one of the worst super hero movies ever, but when I take a jab at you it is more of a friendly elbow.

But since you asked about Daredevil I feel the responsibility to respond. First off, I'll go on the record of saying I looked forward to DD. When I heard it starred Ben A. but wasn't written by Smith, I still didn't write it off. When I saw set pics, I actually thought "this will work". It didn't. It is bad as Elektra in my eyes (and my eyes and ears like Jennifer Garner). It doesn't work on so many levels that I bet dollars to donuts the people at Marvel studios studied DD as "How not to make a superhero movie". I don't even think Daredevil should even be mentioned in the Marvel Movie Library, it's so bad I don't even think it deserves a second viewing.

The script is terrible, the acting so bad that suspension of disbelief is impossible. It's not DD, not Elektra, not Kingpin; it's Ben Affleck trying to be DD, Garner trying to be Elektra, MCD trying to be Kingpin. It's all too phoney, and the movie puts the "special" into special effects. They should have left the wires on.

Daredevil comes off more as a "test" for Marvel Studios than it does a well thought out movie. It's so paint by the numbers that they made a superhero movie exactly what it shouldn't be: tedious and somewhat obnoxious. Although I think SPIDER-MAN had aged terribly, at least I'm not checking my watch and having an inner-monologue that reads "when is this shit going to be over?" (plus in Spidey GG gets stabbed through his dick).

Is it a movie about one of my favorite characters Daredevil? Is it a setup for an Elektra spin off? Perhaps a Kingpin spinoff? Even the writers have no clue.


Daredevil is the Jeep Liberty of movies. It doesn't know what it wants to be, but tries to be everything at once without having a purpose (well, the Jeep Liberty's purpose is mostly to show off you have a 4-wheel drive vehicle that will never see dirt).

I could go on about the story, the line deliveries, the horrible screenwriting, etc., but I won't. It's fun to see your favorite heroes on screen, not so fun to see the core of your favorite character butchered.


The entire script is narrative quicksand, the plot wheezes its way through the movie, every character was unbelievable, and a superhero movie should feature, a superhero doing super things.

I COMPLETELY disagree about the acting. Michael Clarke Duncan absolutely was The Kingpin. He had the swagger. Colin Ferrel absolutely was Bullseye to a sociopathic T, and was entertaining. Ben Affleck did a fine job as Daredevil. He is exactly as I remembered Matt Murdock being in the definitive 80s issues of the comic: depressed, despondent, and confused, yet vengeful. However I will admit that Jennifer Garner didn't do the best job as Elektra.

I also disagree about this comment:

a superhero movie should feature, a superhero doing super things.

That would be a bad Daredevil movie. Daredevil IS NOT a super-hero. Daredevil is a violent, brutal, street-level vigilante. Maybe that's why so many people didn't like it, they went into the movie expecting a super-hero movie and didn't get one.

And the movie is confusing? What? I was never confused about the movie. It's very easy to follow along with. A simplified version:
Daredevil is a lawyer by day, and a vigilante by night as his way to avenge his father's death at the hands of criminals. Kingpin is the crime-lord of the city. And Elektra was brought up in this world. Daredevil falls for the wrong girl (Elektra), girl is killed, Daredevil goes after Bullseye and Kingpin for vengeance.

[Luke]

You make valid points about DD not being a Super Hero, and that's one of the things that didn't make the movie work. They forced him to be one.

As far as the cast: somehow too all star studded to be believable (at the time of release). I don't watch BATMAN and say "that's the guy from Gung-Ho", I think "Bruce Wayne on screen". In the theater you could hear whispers of "Oh! The Green Mile guy", and "Oh! The guy from Good Will Hunting!". Again, they are paint by number characters played by big budget movie stars, that although they CAN act, they can't make us forget about their previous characters.

You don't watch BATMAN and say, "hey that's the guy from BEETLEJUICE!", he is believable.

To each his own.