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Menegrothx wrote:
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I'm not saying that there are no other representatives of african-american pop culture other than the stereotypical ones, I'm sure there are more diverse choices out there, but the ones that are more exposed to caucasians are the stereotypical ones
In most European countries there arent that much black people. And in many of them, a large number of them are first generation immigrants, or children of them who arent old enough to make a cultural impact yet, so they dont really have much of an influence on popular culture so far. Quite many game studios are nowadays in Eastern Europe - the area with the smallest amount of third world immigration in Europe. And Japan goes with out saying. Cant really comment on how the situation is in Australia.

So many of the current game developers outside of US got their picture of black people almost exclusively from American mainstream media. There are/were more diverse white characters in many of the shows and movies that I recall watching. And by that I mean that white people are jocks, nerds, goths, skaters etc. They all have their individual identity. Black people are just black people. You dont see black people listening to heavy metal, playing video games or doing science. They just do black stuff and listen to black music and they all look the same.
That is the picture that I got from American movies and TV shows when I was growing up, and I doubt I am the only one. Sure there were some black characters that stood out, but generally there was just "that black guy" with out much of a personal identity.
Another problem, I believe, for all races, is that they let the negative stigmas stay and don't fight them. I know a lot of black people who like rap and wear this ghetto stuff, and then there's Cody. He's as country as can be, and hates that crap. But when black pride comes around, he suddenly knows every Little Wayne song and wears his chains while talking about getting tattoos in white ink so you can actually see him. Yeah....

I think this is just as much of a problem of poor self representation as it is of poor representation by others. A lot of black comedies and black pride movies I have seen focus on the stereotypes, and amplify them. Like, say, Don' Be A Menace. For those who have seen it, you know what I mean. Similarly, look at Machete. That focused on stereotypes of whites and hispanics, amlifying both, with a little bit of overzealous asian culture from Seagall. It seems great for them to have pride, but that's not the way to go about it.
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When I think of this topic, I immediately think of 50 Cent: Blood in the Sand, Def Jam Vendetta, and Rap Jam. And then I remember a roommate's girlfriend, whose take on GTA: San Andreas was "Why can't I play a white person?"

Honestly, going beyond caucasian and African American, how many of you have seen solid portrayals of Native Americans in video games?
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Thinking that the color of a character's skin means they need to be handled differently is racist right out the gate. Makes no sense and is basically the source of the problem. For what it's worth though I think when a Japanese developer handles black characters (thinking of Barret here mainly) it ends up pretty funny.
Ack wrote:Honestly, going beyond caucasian and African American, how many of you have seen solid portrayals of Native Americans in video games?
Prey? Custer's Revenge also features a captivating female Native American lead.
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Forlorn Drifter wrote: Like, say, Don' Be A Menace. For those who have seen it, you know what I mean.
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I dont see any problem with that movie as its a parody of more serious ”hood movies”, or what ever you want to call them, just like movies such as Transylvania Twist, Scary Movie, Naked Gun, Shriek If You Know What I Did Last Friday the Thirteenth, Hot Shots and Blazing Saddles parodied some other film genres. If anything, that movie had alot of self-irony, which is usually a sign of intelligence.
Ack wrote:Honestly, going beyond caucasian and African American, how many of you have seen solid portrayals of Native Americans in video games?
brunoafh wrote: Custer's Revenge
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I've noticed that black people tend to be caricatures in video games, and I don't like it, but what can we do about it? Most people (including blacks) seem to be ok with it.

Also, Sergeant Johnson in Halo wasn't a black stereotype, for the record. There are a few black videogame characters that actually are good, just not many.
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The Assassin's Creed series features an Arabic character, an Italian character, a mixed race character and now a Native American as playable characters.

Honestly, how is race in video games even a problem anymore? :lol:
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captainhavoc wrote:
Honestly, how is race in video games even a problem anymore? :lol:
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Ack wrote:Honestly, going beyond caucasian and African American, how many of you have seen solid portrayals of Native Americans in video games?
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Michelle Chang from Tekken 2 is half Chinese half native American, but its not like you can tell that she has Chinese roots apart from her last name


Loved her stage and stage theme but she made an annoying sound when you KOd her :lol:
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dsheinem wrote:
captainhavoc wrote:
Honestly, how is race in video games even a problem anymore? :lol:
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Geez, it was just a joke. All I'm saying is that if we get another three Assassin's Creed games set in Saigon, Mozambique, and São Paulo, respectively, and we got ourselves total racial equality right there.

Oh, and some DLC set in Nunavik. Can't leave the Eskimos out, can we?
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