The Sorry Lives and Confusing Times of Today's Young Men

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Hey - glad to see so many people like the article! :lol:

Yes, there are a lot of logical flaws here sprinkled in with some interesting stats and observations, but I brought it up because

A) This is an ongoing stereotype that's "out there" about those "life long gamers" we were celebrating earlier, and I thought it would be interesting to see a defense (and it has been!)

B) I did an in-class exercise earlier this semester where I asked students to name "things they find annoying about the other sex" --- the women listed MANY MANY of the the problems/causes that were in that article, so these perceptions aren't, at least where I am, limited to one scorned writer...

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You are a dick dsheim but I think I like you :lol:

I'm going to wait until more people post their thoughts :)
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dsheinem wrote:B) I did an in-class exercise earlier this semester where I asked students to name "things they find annoying about the other sex" --- the women listed MANY MANY of the the problems/causes that were in that article, so these perceptions aren't, at least where I am, limited to one scorned writer...
I'm sure the perceptions are correct; I think the issue a lot of us have is the failure in determination of causation.
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MrPopo wrote:
dsheinem wrote:B) I did an in-class exercise earlier this semester where I asked students to name "things they find annoying about the other sex" --- the women listed MANY MANY of the the problems/causes that were in that article, so these perceptions aren't, at least where I am, limited to one scorned writer...
I'm sure the perceptions are correct; I think the issue a lot of us have is the failure in determination of causation.
What do you think the causes are, then?
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I'm interested in hearing from the folks in their 20s as to how accurate the article is. That is, do they fit the profile of the young male? How many of their friends fit the profile?
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BoringSupreez wrote:
MrPopo wrote:
dsheinem wrote:B) I did an in-class exercise earlier this semester where I asked students to name "things they find annoying about the other sex" --- the women listed MANY MANY of the the problems/causes that were in that article, so these perceptions aren't, at least where I am, limited to one scorned writer...
I'm sure the perceptions are correct; I think the issue a lot of us have is the failure in determination of causation.
What do you think the causes are, then?
The biggest one I'd say is a failure in parenting. In addition to that, there has been a big push in this country towards emphasizing college education which has caused vocational schools to see a huge downturn in students and we're now in a position where manufacturing and trade jobs are skewed to an older workforce; when that workforce retires we are going to see a real shortage in those fields.
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I agree that one of the issues is the de-emphasis on trade schools. You can make a very good living in the trades if you're smart, talented, and hard-working. Too often I see the trades attract mostly the bottom-of-barrel people in society.

I wonder if the rise of the two income-earner family is part of the issue? When I was growing up, most families have a stay-at-home mom. That is uncommon nowadays. So maybe parents have a guilt trip thereby having lax parenting. Also with more women in the workforce, you have greater competition for the available jobs.

I also think that computers/electronics contribute to the poor social skills that some people have. It's too easy to stay cooped up inside the house.
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gtmtnbiker wrote:I'm interested in hearing from the folks in their 20s as to how accurate the article is. That is, do they fit the profile of the young male? How many of their friends fit the profile?
Like I posted earlier, I once fit the profile (in my teens). I no longer do though. Live alone, support myself, not big on porn (have a gf), not sure on my sperm count, and I do more than just play games. Pretty much all of my "friends" (more like acquiescences/peers) do though. Why? No motivation. Parents just let them sit on their ass in complacency. This applies to both my male and female peers that are around my age.
I think parents are a big part of the problem. Too many parents are not strict enough with their kids.
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gtmtnbiker wrote:I'm interested in hearing from the folks in their 20s as to how accurate the article is. That is, do they fit the profile of the young male? How many of their friends fit the profile?
About myself:

I moved out of my father's home at 19. I never moved back in.

I'm now 25, 3 years married. At 23, I bought my first home with my wife, and our names are the only ones on the loan because we have great credit (no need to co-sign from a parent, I'm saying). Its worth mentioning that my neighborhood is full of people twice and thrice my age, and ours is one of only two families that owns their home. The rest are all renters. And no, its not an old, beat up area. The oldest houses (mine among them) were built in 2001.

I'm now in the process of starting up my own business, with my successful 26 year old friend as my partner.

In short, while it brings up a few valid points, as others pointed out its all so much finger pointing and nothing conclusive. Just "all women are doing better than all men". Nonsense.

The sexism here seems blatant and obvious. Though I did appreciate that they pointed out the lack of "gender studies" of any kind for men.

I have more to say on this subject, but I don't have the time right this moment.
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Is this article even worth reading? It's clearly just meant to provoke men and push forth a biased, feminist view point.

Where's the accompanying article discussing why so many of today's young women are arrogant, self righteous, judgmental, materialistic, control freaks who feel like every male needs to bow down and treat them like the Queen of England because of their delusional, perfect view of themselves and their sex.

The very same b*****s I see at my job every day bad mouthing their husbands and boyfriends behind their backs, but smiling at them and sweet talking them to their faces. The same women who are always talking about how they would like to find a guy who has money, so they can sit home and get fat while the guy works and brings in the money, then maybe divorce him one day to get half his stuff.

The same women who spend all their time on cell phones or texting people, while driving dangerous vehicles. The same women who spend as much wasted time watching IQ lowering reality TV crap and garbage like American Idol and Dances with the Stars as men supposedly do playing video games. Oh, and did I mention the texting? That's right I did, the fact that it's impossible to look at a girl in America today without seeing her face buried in a phone or holding one to her ear. Oh, but wait, they DO put the phones down when they need to check their makeup, often in traffic.

:roll:

My whole point is that I could write an entire article maligning many of the young women of today as much as this article does males, and pointing out the reasons WHY men don't want to settle down and have kids with them. Articles like this are trash, written by judgmental women who think way too highly of themselves.
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